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In this case the term Jacka$$ is an insult. (To the Jacka$$ that is.[:@])

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Exactly.There is no way that I can find any respect for someone that would disrespect a 12 year old cancer victim that had lost a leg yet still has the determination to undertake a hunt of any kind.Manboy needs to grow up up and become a man.
I have hunted elk on my own in the wilderness,with an outfitter in the wilderness,and on my own on private property owned by friends, and all provided very enjoyable hunts that offered different challenges.In no cases did we drive up to animals in trucks and in fact the outfitted hunt in northern B.C. required as much physical effort as any of my elk hunts.

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Gee all my fond memories of the elk huntin' I did in the area of Chama, NM are ruined now that I've been told they were the easy kind. I hunted private property with a shirttale relative of the owners. Us bein' the youngest had to push 'em out to the old timers who had their ambush sites named![:-] I thought livin' at a hydro electric plant some 5000' in elevation was pretty high, but where we hunted were twice that, and it seemed like hard work to a twenty something who'd lettered in 4 sports in all three years of high school.
Good on you Blake! :D

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This has gone around the Deer Hunting forum as well. I have hunted private land many times when we didn't even see an Elk or even a deer. Just because you hunt private land does not mean you are assured an animal. Even if this was a High Fence type hunt, this young man had to overcome much more than just what some would call a wilderness hunt.

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Most people who complain about hunting private land are people who dont have the money to do so or who didnt play their cards right in life so they werent able to afford their own land. Personally I think it is a MUCH MUCH bigger of an accomplishment to be able to buy your own land and kill a trophy buck off of it compared to drawing a tag and killing a trophy on goverement owned land. Manboy is full of hate and jeolousy, he probably dosent have a pot to pi$$ in thats why he is so bitter.

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TX.....BINGO!

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wow u are so wrong tx...

i started my own buss. when i was 19...
i have started a taxidermy buss, and have my own web site...
i bought my first home when i was 21....
i now have an above average income for where i live...
i have a great marriage, 3 wonderfull kids...
i got marriad when i was 17 .. now going on 14 years!!!!!!
and i do hunt out of state every year!
but i do not pay to hunt private ranches or pay guides!!!

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I hunt private land much of the time but I have never paid to hunt it. I own some land and can hunt several bordering ranchs. I have hired outfitters in Canada. Had to to get my permits and have a place to stay. Hunted Government land up there though.

Manboy. You still are not going to convince anyone here that your attitude toward this young man was anything but disgraceful. A boy who thinks he knows as much as you think you know should at least know better than that. If you can't see that then I pity you big time.

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manboy..this ring a bell to you:
Maybe this is what TX was referring to, afterall it was your comment????

I will admit I personally haven't agreed with many of your posts, but such is life. Opinions are one thing but all to often your posts have a soap box feel or demeaning tone to them, so what do you really expect? I really don't care how others choose to hunt as long is it is legal then go hard. Hunting is a personal conquest, things are much different where I hunt than other places I realize/understand that and therefore what maybe good for this goose, isn't nesessarily good for the gander...catch my drift.

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I don't know what manboy said on this post because I have him blocked. However, by the responses, I can tell it was not an apology.

Guys, read my lips: He does not get his kicks by being right or changing people's minds to his point of view. He gets his kicks by making people angry and stirring up controversy.

Therefore, anyone responding to him at all, especially with anger, IS DOING EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS. Do you really want to continue to supply him with his daily anger "fix"

Do you really want him to be in control? Any time someone falls for his line, he is.

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You say that you would need to work 1250 hours to pay for a 7-10 day hunt .For a $10,000 hunt that works out to $8 per hour after taxes.Certainly not very successful.I guess that is why he is so bitter.

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if i remember right the hunt was 15,000 bucks...

and at $34,000 per year then take taxes out... makes it 30,000-31,000... so ya half of my salery....
go to wyoming weston county and see what the average income is.... well it is 24,000 per year so ya i am doing alright!;)

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manboy, yes it was 15K. BTW my intent was not to make light of your finiancial or wages situation, just that some may feel this isn't exactly a caviar and champagne earning. Also it does open the door to many comments of not being able to experience other methods, etc b/c lets face it 30K a year with 5 mouths to feed and 5 bodies to cloth, etc does not leave a lot extra play room.

I could care less what your towns folk make on average and what the high roller makes...that is not the point! THE POINT IS STOP PRETENDING "IT IS THE WORLD OF HUNTING ACCORDING TO MANBOY!"

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Okay so that makes your wage $12 per hour which is about what a supermarket teller earns where I live.Certainly not a big wage.

You obviously live in a location where wages are not high but you should realize that many of us have jobs that earn us two to three times that much or more,so guided hunts are far more affordable for many of us.You need to stop passing judgement on other people based on your own limitations.

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It doesn't matter to me what amount of money you make or what style of house you live in or what kind of car you drive! It does matter to me what kind of human being you are and without you admitting you were wrong and apologizing to Blake then it will prove that you have no backbone and in my opinion are the lowest form of human being there is! No "sugar coating" about it!! Blake deserves an apology from you!!

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stubblejumper...

wow, a grocery clerk makes that much where you are at? i live in the same town as manboy, and that same grocery teller here would be lucky to make $6 per hour. i myself make right at $14, and that is a pretty good paycheck here.

cant believe what others make, i guess the cost of living here is way cheap

brad

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I am living in Alberta where our oil economy is booming.The average tradesman in the oil industry is making around $30 per hour with the top companies paying right around $40 for their top tradesmen.Labourers at the plants make over $20 per hour.The oil industry is expanding rapidly with no end in sight and with new companies trying to hire experienced workers the wages and benefits are getting even better.

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look out world im moving to canada!!!!!!!!!!!!


brad

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stubblejumper:

The oil industry is booming in Alberta to? :D

I'm from south Texas and one of the family business is in the oilfield. I've seen it where the Texas oilman where doing so well that instead of going out and buying a new car they went out and bought a new plane. But I've also seen the industry hit the bottom of the barrel. And those same guys who where blowing and going when the money was rolling in, where filing bankrupcty and moving out of town because they were embarresed that there "empire" collapsed. Towns boom and people blow money when the oilfield is doing good, but once the price of a barrel of oil goes down, alot of those same guys are going to be looking for a new job. You know alot of oilfield people would be doing alright and be set for life even when the oilfield hits bottom if those guys wherent so arrogant with their money when its rolling in.

But I do know when the "end in sight" is going to be. Thats when Bushs term is up, especially if a Liberal or Democrat is elected to office. My prediction is that the average price per gallon at the pump when Bush gets out of office will level off to about $1.25-$1.50 and will reach spikes up to $1.80 in most of the country (and yours to I'm assuming).

I know this is all of topic, but I thought I would talk alittle "oilfield chat" with you LOL :D Good hunting........

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Congratulations Blake!! That is a heck of a Bull! God Bless you son,there are a lot of us who are pulling for you for your health and success!

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TXHighrack-I have been in the oilsands business for 25 years now and although oilprices have fluctuated over the years,our company has never had wage rollbacks and has never laid people off.Right now our company and several more oilsands developments are expanding and with more and more money being invested every day,it is apparent that many people feel that the future is bright despite your negative outlook.As for the people that have been in the business for considerable periods,most of us have invested wisely for many years so our future is already taken care of.

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oh i almost forgot my wife makes 20,000 a year also!


so i could pay for hunts... i would rather put kids though college instead...

that way they have some brains to them u know what i mean hunter_59?[&:]

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stubblejumper:

Like you I have been involved with the oil & gas business for 7 years (I'm 30). My family however has owned and operated several oil & gas business over a 40+ year period. Over the years we have started 7 different companies, 4 of which we have sold because the price was right and/or we needed to free up some of our capital because we where interested in other oppurtunites. But I do find it hard to believe that your company has never had any layoffs or pay cuts, even the giants like Haliburton have had pay cuts and layoffs in the past. I have no "negative" outlook on the current state of the oil industry, I do however have a realistic outlook on the industry and I know that Americans will sooner or later say enough is enough and/or the gov. will do something about the high gas prices. Getting $55+ per barrel is not going to last forever.....


Yes the present and near future look very bright. But the oilfield is alot like playing the stock market. You can make alot of money or you can loose alot of money at the drop of a hat. The oil industry seems to boom for about a 5-8 year period, then it bust and levels off and after a while the cycle starts all over again. The reason so many companies are expanding so much is because they know they have a small window to make there money before the oppurtunity passes. My dad and myself are in the process of starting a recoil tubing business with 3 other guys. Our intentions are to set up the company and sell it to one of the larger companies in a few years, more then likely for a very nice finacial gain. The oil giants like Haliburton and Baker Hughes etc. love to have a monoply on the market and if you start a business and began competing with them (try to be a thorn in their side) then they will almost always buy you out, because they would rather spend big bucks then compete with anybody.

Anyway we have gotten way off topic from the original thread, but I guess that happend long ago. Take it easy, good hunting to all....

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i hope and pray that this guy and his kids never have anything like this happen to them i don't think that this guy understands what a disabilty is or he just does't want to know "way to go kid nice elk"

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First off manboy I see your name fits you to a T...a boy stuck in a mans body. However, I find it ammusing that you can find the time to be critical of a youg cancer patient amputee who actually had the ability and determination to not only go on the hunt but hike the country on crutches with one leg while at the same time you couldn't even take your income to more than 15 bucks in the 12 years you owned your own business. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. With the determination and willpower Blake has you should just be lucky he isn't a competitor of yours in the same town or you probably would end up working at the local supermarket. Just a word of wisdom, maybe you should take that income you so readily brag about and put yourself through college then maybe one day you'll be as mature as Blake, but then again college is pretty tough and someone may call you a bad name then you'd have to quit and go back to living like a king.:eek:

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wow bearklr... i do work at a local supermarket, this taxidermy buss. is a new thing for me... i didn't even count that income!!!

as far as for blake, it's not him i pitty it'shis father.. who took and paid for his son tohunt this ranch...

as we all know blake has heart, determination,and will power most of us will never have... so why did his dad show him the easy way out when it comes to hunting? that is all i don't understand? there are plenty of places blake could have went and not had to hunt a ranch, his elk may not have been as nice, but he would feel something differant inside!

and that is all i will say about this topic, so blast off if u must!

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You are something else. What I don't know, but something else for sure. I and I quess thats all I have to say too.

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OK manboy, so you started your own business when you were 19 but now work at a supermarket. I guess the hair salon didn't take off huh? Now you finally figured out how to stick some hide on a piece of foam and you consider it taxidermy. After all that "success" you still find time to hunt out of state but will never stoop to paying a guide or to lease land. Well my hat goes off to you and all of your infinite hunting wisdom. I am truly amazed that an individual such as yourself has such low self esteem that they feel the need to degrade an accomplishment of a child with cancer to validate their own pathetic accomplishments. Hey, next time you fail at something (which sounds like it's inevitable) maybe there will be a baby nearby you could make cry...that should cheer you right up.

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[8D] NEVER UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF STUPID PEOPLE IN LARGE GROUPS! [&:]

i think that is what we have here!

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roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!

bearklr, that is hysterical....wow



brad

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Either that or we have one stupid person and a large group of sensible people.Which is more likely to occur?

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I haven't read every single post in this thread and really didn't wnat to respond to it but..... but did manboy read the story and the part quoted above. This may have been a private land hunt and he shot the bull from a dirt road it certainly doesn't sound like he was hunting in a fenced area.

Sounds to me that he was hunting fair chase elk on a private ranch sourounded by public land. Also sounds like he did a fair ammount of walking and stalking for a cancer patient with only one leg.

Manboy you need to get a life and people like you will get what is coming to you some day inone way or another. I hope it is many times as bad for you personally as it was for this kid to loose his leg.

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Could it be KARMA ?

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3 million sperm and YOU were the fastest?

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Stubble. I say old boy, I think you make a good point.:D

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Holy crow! I just read through this thread and I say cangrats to the young boy who took that elk. I'm a little older than he is. I don't agree with the high fenced hunts. Nor do I think it is your job to verbally bash manboy you jerks!!! I feel the same way as you guys but I'm not gonna start calling him names. If you ask me you are being childish. you just stooped to those standards to start callin him names.

nice elk man be proud!!:D

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troutboy, you just did the same....

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lol i did didn't i

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Despite this is a great story and that kid definetly has determination, I'v decided to lock this topic due to flaming that appears to be majority of the pages.