All the charts show this is flatter shooting and a little faster than 7rem mag. I want one but wanted to here any one else's experience with it, and do we think it will last or is it going to fade. I think these cartridges will be more accurate than the belted versions due to shorter stiffer actions, more effiecient powder burn, blah blah b;lah all the stuff we know doesn't really matter in a hunting scenario- but the gearhead in us loves. Basically my only reluctance is whether these cartridges will survive. 7mm- the one that interstes me right nw doesn't seem to have done as well as 270 and 300. what do ya'll think?

They are very good cartridges. Your right the 270 and 300 have become more popular, but the 7mm is still a great round. You can head over to www.sortmags.org. Lots of info on the shortmags.

My manuals don't show any real difference between the 7MM Rem mag and the 7MM WSM until you get to the heavier bullets. With heavier bullets the WSM can't keep up with the older REM Mag. Some of my manuals don't even list the WSM with heavier bullets. Deep seating of the bullets with the WSM limits its powder capacity. For this reason I don't see the 7MM WSM ever comming close to the popularity of the Rem Mag or its 270 and 300 WSM's. It may however hang on.

ct

I just bought one last oct and love it. I based my decision totally off the ballistic charts I read like the one listed below here. according to those it even slightly outclassed the 300s--now of course thats talking factory ammo

for instance the 160 gr accubonds for the 7mm wsm had better velocity than the 180 accubonds by the 300 and 300 short and more energy at 300+ yds (slightly less untill 300). In my humble estimation it beat all comparable calibers in overall ballistics including the regular 7mm and 300 except for the STW

I think the short mags are here to stay and I like the idea behind them

just my opinion

http://www.federalcartridge.com/ammo40/compare.asp

They need to make a SUM..Short ULTRA Magnum. Basically the same concept as a WSM but with the ballistics of a full size ultra mag.

I think they are here to stay as well. However without more advanced powders, which may come, The short mags can't duplicate the long mags with the heavies bullets. For NA game this makes little or no difference. Any caliber from 6.5 Mauser on up and certainly the 270, 280, 308 and 30-06 with propor bullets will kill big game as fast and cleanly as the Magnum rifles in the hands of a decent to good hunter. There for, the insignificant difference between the short and long mags or the more potent standard calibers does not mean much. A good hunter with a 30-06 or 270 class rifle who know what bullet to use and pratices enough to place his shots well and has a little disipline and respect for the game he chases will have no problems in North America. The ability of a hunter comes down to the hunter rifle team. A good hunter with a bad rifle or a bad hunter with a good rifle will have about the same rate of success. However a good hunter with even a decent rifle will have success every time out. Our forefathers hunted with what they had and kept their families fed. They did it with rifles from 22 caliber to 50 caliber. It was their skill and not the rifle that mattered. Sorry, a little off topic I had another birthday and I am feeling a bit old today.

7wsm has been setting and resetting some of the mile long shooting matches. I've talked to the driver a few times a year ago and he had nothing but praise for the accuracy of the round and being 7mm the projectiles have a high bc.

That doesn't mean it'll hang on though. But its a good start. And has none of those magnum mystery shots we encounter in matches using magnum belted rounds. Those ones that fly out of the group for no apparent reason.

Jeff

James-- wouldn't that be 22-like 62 caliber or so? They sure had some much larger rounds than 50 caliber years back.

Oh yes. I recall reading of calibers up into the 70cal. Many of the old rifles were bored bigger and bigger at the black powder coroded the bores. They would just ream them bigger and rerifle them. Of course I am not quite that old. I mean I don't remember those days. I shot a lot of deer with my old 22 long rifle. There were no deer seasons where I grew up when I was a kid. Anything good to eat was on the menu. There were deer around mut only in certain areas and not enough to have a season. People just hunted when thet needed meat.