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Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
When I was on one of my Idaho elk hunts,it believe it was in 97 I read an article in a local newspaper about a hunter killing an animal believed to be an elk moose cross.
The animal had characteristics of both, there was much controversity about it. The hunting story was lengthy but said the hunter had buggled it in during the Elk rut and killed it with a bow. It had elk shapped antlers that were palmated. Some experts speculated it was an odd moose others that it was a cross. DNA test were pending and were to be publshed later. Does anyone know about the story and the DNA results? |
RE: Elk Moose hybred, Melk
you must be joking or really stupid either its an elk or a moose not a cross elk and moose don't get along for one and for 2 its impossible
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
undefined The article gave detailed discriptions of the animal and even the game biologist were not sure what it was, in fact charges were pending against the hunter in the event it proved to be an moose and also if it was indeed a cross due to it being as much moose as elk. Anyhow I contacted the Idaho fish and wildlife today inquiring about the animal,whatever they send I will cut and paste here,to at least prove I am not as stupid as I might appear. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
Why is it stupid? Wierder things have happend in nature. I have seen animals try to breed with almost anything. Take a male dog and your leg for example.;) When animals get that horney anything can happen.
Be it in captivity but there are tiger and lion cross breeds called lygers. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
This past week when it got down to 20 below f I was breeding with my wood burning stove, just goes to show ya, imbreeding does exist. ;) Bobby
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
where is gorse when u need him man thats so imposible it couldnt hapen did u take any biology courses or have any comin sense on animals at all it is imposible for two diferent species to breed.
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I don't know--they're all members of the deer family---whitetails and mulies occasionally breed---horses and donkeys breed--I wouldn't think it would be out of the question
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
green jeans is smart man these other guys i can't say that about moose and elk fight they don't along and they aren't even close but you never know but i still think its really stupid to believe everything you beleive.
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
We'll make sure we call you--left---if we need an IQ barometer (measuring instrument) (grin)
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I don't think that is entirely true. There have been numerous examples of different species of animal that have successfully cross bred.
Leopard (pantheta pardus) and lion (panthera leo) Horse (Equus caballus) and Zebra (Equus burchellii) Camel (camelus dromedarius) and llama (Lama glama).... different GENUS and species Although it is extremely rare from what I have read it is entirely possible http://members.aol.com/jshartwell/hybrid-mammals.html |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
thankyou gorse you sound like a smart guy too you sound like you know what your talking about
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I guess the rest of us are just a bunch of big dummies huh?
At least we type like we passed the fourth grade. It makes my head hurt to read your posts. If you refuse to believe the facts that is up to you. Like I said there are numerous documented cases of wild and captive cross species bread animals. Do some research about it and see for yourself. CROSSING THE SPECIES BOUNDARY Speciation (one species evolving into two) is usually a slow process. It is generally accepted that different species usually cannot mate and reproduce - this is called "reproductive isolation". The exception was closely related species which can produce hybrids, although those hybrids have reduced fertility. The more easily two species form hybrids, the more closely the species are related in evolutionary terms. However, nature defies human attempts to compartmentalize creatures into static species. Hybridization is turning out to be more common than previously realised. One way reproductive isolation occurs is changes in genes due to mutation. One group of animals might be geographically isolated from others of the same species. Each group undergoes slightly different mutations over many generations - some genes affect appearance, others affect behaviour. Many generations later, the two groups become different enough that even if they can mate, they can't produce fully fertile offspring. Sometimes, one species can split into two through behavioural isolation. Some individuals develop behaviour patterns which limit their choice of mates e.g. they might be attracted to certain colours or might be active at different times of day. Though they are fully capable of interbreeding with the other group, their different behaviours keep them apart. If their habitat became permanently overcast, those behaviour barriers would break down and they would interbreed freely; their hybrids might become new species. Another way reproductive isolation occurs is when fragments of DNA accidentally jump from one chromosome to another in an individual (chromosomal translocation) The mutant individuals cannot reproduce except with other mutant individuals - not much good unless the individual has mutant siblings to mate with! There are also "master genes" which govern general body plan (Hox genes) and those which switch other genes on and off. A small mutation to a master gene can mean a sudden big change to the individuals that inherit that mutation. Sometimes, those radical mutations can "undo" generations of evolution so that two unrelated species can mate with each other and produce fertile young (so far, this has only been seen in micro-organisms). Hybridisation is usually considered a dead end because the hybrids are not fully fertile; if they are fertile, the hybrids are usually absorbed back into the population of one or other parent species and most of the alien genes are bred out. More rarely, hybrids can become new species or new sub-species. In the hands of breeders, some domestic/wildcat hybrids can become breeds; these are not new species because the wildcat genes are largely bred out by crossing with domestic cats, until only the wildcat pattern remains. In some species, hybridisation plays an important role in evolutionary biology. Most hybrids face handicaps as a result of genetic incompatibility, but the fittest survive, regardless of species boundaries and may contain a combination of traits which allows them to exploit new habitats or to succeed in a marginal habitat where the two parent species have trouble surviving (seen in some sunflowers). Unlike mutation, hybridisation creates variations in many genes or gene combinations simultaneously. Some successful hybrids could evolve into new species within 50-60 generations. Life may be a genetic continuum rather than a series of self-contained species. Usually, where there are two closely related species living in the same area, less than 1 in 1000 individuals will be hybrids because animals rarely choose a mate from a different species. Otherwise, genetic leaks would cause species boundaries to break down altogether. In some closely related species there are recognized "hybrid zones". For example, in Heliconius butterflies, hybrids are common, healthy and fertile - hybrids can breed with other hybrids, or with either parent species. Genes have leaked from one species into another through regular hybridisation. However, hybrids are disadvantaged by natural selection. Pure-bred Heliconius butterflies have warning colouration recognised by predators. Hybrids have intermediate patterns which are not recognised - the predators have not yet adapted and so the hybrids are disadvantaged. In mammals, hybrid White-Tail/Mule Deer don't inherit either parent's escape strategy (White Deer dash. Mule Deer bound) and are easier prey than the pure-bred parents. Another example is seen in Galapagos Finches. Healthy Galapagos Finch hybrids are relatively common, but their beaks are intermediate in shape and less efficient feeding tools than the specialised beaks of the parental species so they lose out in the competition for food. Following a major storm in 1983, changes to the local habitat meant new types of plant began to flourish and the hybrids had a advantage over the birds with specialised beaks - demonstrating the role of hybridization in exploiting new niches. If the change is permanent or is radical enough that the parental species cannot survive, the hybrids become the dominant form. Otherwise, the parental species will re-establish themselves when the environmental change is reversed and hybrids will remain in the minority. Finally, what happens if two species previously kept separate by geographical boundaries suddenly meet up? The hybridisation of the native European Red Deer and the introduced Chinese Sika Deer means that pure Red Deer are being hybridized into extinction. While humans want to protect the Red Deer; evolution wants to utilise the Sika Deer genes. Mechanisms for keeping species separate:- Physical separation: the species live in different geographic locations or occupy different ecological niches in the same location and so never have the chance to meet each other. Temporal isolation: the species that mate during different seasons or different time of day and cannot breed together. Behavioral isolation: members of different species may meet each other, but do not mate because neither performs the correct mating ritual. Imprinting by fostering the young of one species on a female of the other species can overcome this in some cases. Mechanical isolation: copulation may be impossible because of incompatible size and shape of the reproductive organs. Morphological isolation: copulation may be impossible because of the difference in body size or shape. Gametic isolation: the sperm and egg may not fuse and hence fertilization cannot occur; if it does occur then the embryo fails to get past the first few cell division. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
a liger or a mule artificially breed is totally diff. then a 2 wild animals going at it. you can say all you want about these captive animals that are breed artifitually but they are differnt because no scienctist is sticking a tube or his hand in the female its totally different
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
ORIGINAL: gorse Good article, bigbulls. That appears to be solid information (rather than just 'because the newspaper said so' (heresay) - which is often the line of argument here (though I am NOT saying that you do that). Way to go. Perhaps it IS possible. now both the scientist are on the same side I see |
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Granted it will be very rare but it is entirely possible for something like this to happen.
It has happened in captivity numerous times and there are many documented cases of it also happening in the wild. Whether this "melk" is real or not who knows but it is possible. now both the scientist are on the same side I see you can say all you want about these captive animals that are breed artifitually but they are differnt because no scienctist is sticking a tube or his hand in the female its totally different I am certainly not a scientist but I do like to at least research a topic before I start implying people around here are stupid. I suggest you do the same. Sometimes it's like I'm talking to a brick wall around here. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
Take a male dog and your leg for example.;) When animals get that horney anything can happen. Thanks |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
Jonesy--that one was either really good or really bad--I can't make up my mind--grin
hb |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
ORIGINAL: hillbillyhunter1 Jonesy--that one was either really good or really bad--I can't make up my mind--grin hb I can help you with that one - its really bad. Figured that out after sleeping on it. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
Aw I think it was just the Merry Kristmoose, somebody saw and misidentified. [:-]
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
This is very hard to beleave. But the world was created ALL OF IT ,every thing mmmmmmmmmmmmm where did the scientist then?
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I think that its completely plausible that an elk and moose can go at it. just because elk and moose "dont get along" doesn't mean it could't happen. also, i found two dictionary refrences to hybrid animals:
Beefalo- A hybrid that results from a cross between the American buffalo, or bison, and beef cattle and is typically 3/8 buffalo and 5/8 bovine. Beefalo yields leaner beef than conventional breeds of cattle. Also called cattalo. Liger- The product of crossbreeding between a male lion and a female tiger, having features of both but generally being larger than either. Now weather scientists helped 'em along or they did it themselves i dont know. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
Got Melk???????
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I had a black rooster and a white duck that were best of buddies, and yes they would do the TANGO, what would you call them---CHUCKINS!!!:D
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
undefined No this aint BS, they were very popular around the poultry belt in WV, the Moorefield to Franklin area. I have seen them, ugly ba$tards! You can go to google and search for turkins and see pictures of them. From what I know the gobbler breeds the chicken. |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I seen a domestic gobbler try to breed a dog once so that doesn't surprise me. Robinhood36, Did you have any shovelhead retreivers running around at the farm?
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
I don't know if a moose and a elk would successfully breed. But I do know in the right conditions nature will throw genes back into the mix that have been recessive for a long time. Cross breeding is very possible but most of the successful ones are done in a lab.
Is a melk possible? Irish elk existed less than a 1000 years ago before being exstinct. An irish elk is a monster of an animal. More leaning towards the stag in looks but truly massive. I've seen one rack of an Irish elk in the denver museum of natural history that had a spread of over 11 feet. Looked partly moose and partly elk. Can genes from a long time ago come back. Under the perfect gene combinations and conditions sure they can. Highly impossible though. When elk have large massive racks alot of bulls tend to have crowns. This comes from their first cousins the red stags. Genetics are not pure and species can be very close in the gene pool to accept dna from another species. Example mule deer and whitetail is probally the most common two species that will actually breed and have fawns that survive the gene combination. never say never |
RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
There is a sub group of Indian elephants that have "reverted" back to their early ancestors. You know, the kinds that had the big bulbous foreheads and are just huge. There was a special on discovery about it. They got them on film. Amazing
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RE: Elk Moose hybrid, Melk
robinhood36 had a kid in his town that had a big bulous head, Do you think that he was reverting back to a neandrothol?
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I saw what looked like a moose elk hybrid
While I was deer hunting this year I saw a bull and cow moose bedded on my grandpas property. I am sure it was just strange antler growth but the antlers on the bull looked exactly like those of a bull elk. No palmation at all and six points on both sides. Other than the antlers it looked like a just like a moose. Can't say if it was a hybrid or not but I certainly would not call anybody stupid for asking if there is such an animal. To me somebody that calls someone else stupid for asking a question is the sign of somebody trying to hide there own insecurites and dare i say, stupidity. Just my own humble opinion though.
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Larry,
Have you tried to contact the paper? Finding a copy of the original article might help with the research. |
deer dudes...this post if from 2005....alot of kids born since then lol...talk about dig some stuff up
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Mallards breed with just about everything! Wierder things have happened
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Turkins are not a cross between a chicken and turkey. They are 100% chicken. You can order them as chicks from some hatcheries. You can cross pheasants and chickens. There is a difference between animals of different species mating and whether there is enough genetic compatibility for fertilization to occur. Then there has to be enough compatibility on top of that for a fetus to grow to term.
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Um, no...................
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I dont see why this could not happen/ They did fine a hunter up North somewhere. I think Alaska for shooting a polar bear that looked more like a grizzly. Come to find out it had Dna of a grizz but looked like a polar bear.
Weirder stuff has happened! |
Iv never heard of or seen anything like that in my life,i live in moose and elk country.if it is possable for them to breed id sure like to try a melk steak.
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