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just a question to ponder if your life is at risk
I was recently asked by a fairly knowledgeable friend about my potential choice or selection
if I had to select a decent back-up rifle, AND CALIBER, now understand I WAS NOT GOING TO BE HUNTING, ID JUST BE STANDING SLIGHTLY BEHIND HIM ACTING AS INSURANCE, IF HE BIT OFF MORE THAN HE COULD HANDLE he just got through reading several books like ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() if I was to hunt something rather dangerous, THAT COULD IF PROVOKED, STOMP OR MAUL YOU VERY EFFECTIVELY AND LETHALLY. I THINK ID GO THE CZ 458 LOTT ROUTE, WITH A SLOW EXPANDING BULLET IN THE 550 GRAIN RANGE WITH A LARGER RECEIVER REAR SIGHT IF YOUR ONLY GOING TO GET ONE SHOT IN A TIGHT SPOT AT POINT BLANK RANGES, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SELECT SOMETHING THAT WILL HIT HARD AND PENETRATE WELL ![]() WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE AND YEAH I OWN ONE AND I'M WELL AWARE OF THE RECOIL BUT THERE'S A CERTAIN SENSE OF SECURITY, IN LETTING SOMETHING GET IN CLOSE BEFORE YOU FIRE... IF you're FACING SOMETHING NASTY OVER THOSE SIGHTS I think he was thinking or daydreaming about cape buffalo or Kodiak bear ,or polar bear, as hunting tiger or elephant is very unlikely |
Give me a good double in either 470 Nitro or 500 Nitro if cost was no object. Once you handle a big double and learn how to really use it you will understand why so PHs use them despite the cost. That immediate 2nd shot is handy and when you learn how to do a proper reload you can get 4 shots off quicker with a double than a bolt gun. I had a Williams Evans double in 450/400 3 1/4 Nitro Express and I practiced until I could shoot it like a machine. However in a fit of extreme stupidity I sold that rifle. Sure wish I had it back.
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If it was for only heavy dangerous game such as elephant, cape buffalo, or hippo I would use a 458 caliber rifle, if it was for cats it would be 375 caliber rifle. Many like the 416's as an all-around DG rifle and I would not disagree with that choice.
I think the CZ is a good choice if you have a little work done to them by a specialist (trigger, safety, perhaps feeding if needed). They are solidly built, reliable, and there are many guys that like them for the largest cartridges. However, I understand they are discontinuing production. Another good choice would be the M70 Safari Express, which is solidly built, reliable, and needs no work. I shoot the 375's well and the recoil does not keep me off target long. The 458 Win and the 458 Lott are harder to get that second shot off accurately but definitely punch harder. I have used a Lott for game even as light as eland, but I think the 458 Winchester does the same job with a little less fuss and the 416's work just as well. Frankly shooting much from 458 or 470 rifles literally gives me a headache. |
I sold several of the CZ's in the 458 lott caliber as did a few of my buddy's with gun shops.
and been our experience, on models made before say 2008 or so, that a LOT of the stock would creak break, I believe they change stock design or support like of it, to stop the cracking from happening, but a heads up to anyone that finds older used one! and NO CZ doesbn't stand by them and replace them free of charge its all out of pocket costs when they break! other wise very solid guns! as for what gun/caliber to be having for back up well since I have ZERO desire to shoot or kill anything on any safari , I doubt I would ever need to find out but IF I did go, it would be rather simple, it would;be the largest caliber rifle I could shoot fast and accurately! as don't care how large a caliber is, if you DON"T get it up and ready and HIT what you need to, its not going to do you any good! It would also again, be a caliber I could afford to shot often and practice a lot with before hand, as again, having a BIG exotic caliber rifle you cannot afford to practice with, tends to mean one you shoot poorly! |
Benelli M1 super 90 18" barrel 12 gauge semi auto with Brenneke 12 gauge 2 3/4" 1 3/8oz (602 grain) maximum barrier penetration hardened slugs. (1650fps/3550fpe at the muzzle).
In tests done by Brenneke, at 7yds, these rounds will defeat level IIIA body armor and still go on to penetrate in excess of 30" of ballsitics gelatin I have several boxes of these on hand in case of Alien T-Rex invasion. EDITED to add additional ballistic data. |
that Benelli M1 super 90 18" barrel 12 gauge semi auto with Brenneke 1 3/8oz maximum barrier penetration hardened slugs.
\ would be a great option |
I wouldn't want anyone behind me who wasn't very proficient and expert in handling hard recoiling rounds in stressful conditions, if needed.
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Originally Posted by Valorius
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Benelli M1 super 90 18" barrel 12 gauge semi auto with Brenneke 12 gauge 2 3/4" 1 3/8oz (602 grain) maximum barrier penetration hardened slugs. (1650fps/3550fpe at the muzzle).
In tests done by Brenneke, at 7yds, these rounds will defeat level IIIA body armor and still go on to penetrate in excess of 30" of ballsitics gelatin I have several boxes of these on hand in case of Alien T-Rex invasion. EDITED to add additional ballistic data. Would be a good choice IF were able to bring it to an African country. |
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Originally Posted by hardcastonly
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I was recently asked by a fairly knowledgeable friend about my potential choice or selection
if I had to select a decent back-up rifle, AND CALIBER, now understand I WAS NOT GOING TO BE HUNTING, ID JUST BE STANDING SLIGHTLY BEHIND HIM ACTING AS INSURANCE, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE? |
Originally Posted by RaySendero
(Post 4373345)
Would be a good choice IF were able to bring it to an African country.
Where law prohibits a semi auto, I would swap out the Benelli with an 18" side by side loaded with the same Brenneke slugs (I think there are places where a shotgun of any kind is not legal, for...reasons). If I was into that sort of thing. |
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