Grizzly Bears
01-18-2002, 12:47 AM
#61
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: , Alaska USA
Posts: 89
RE: Grizzly Bears
Hi Lamar...long time no hear! Wish I'd a bumped into you at Fletchers, but never seem to see you (or at least I don't see anyone running around with a sign hanging from their neck, saying "Hi, I'm Lamar" 
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I think of the coasties as once or twice in a life time bears, and prefer to hunt the inlands on a more regular basis, precisely for the reasons you mentioned.
Do you happen to know if there is a price difference for non-residence?
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)I think of the coasties as once or twice in a life time bears, and prefer to hunt the inlands on a more regular basis, precisely for the reasons you mentioned.
Do you happen to know if there is a price difference for non-residence?
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01-18-2002, 04:24 AM
#62
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Los Angeles CA USA
Posts: 192
RE: Grizzly Bears
Blain, I'll stick to the topic of grizzly bears....but I'm not letting you off the hook that easy yet. You still dodged my question. Which book does Capstick say he "wouldn't hesitate to shoot any animal at 10 yards or less with buckshot"???? I have all of his books and several of his videos now to look it up. Thanks.
01-18-2002, 04:10 PM
#64
Join Date: Feb 2003
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Posts: 226
RE: Grizzly Bears
HK,
I read the 10 yd. thing regarding leopards only and in a few cases lions. It is in death on the dark continent, leopard chapter I think.
beej
I should have stated most of this above in this thread. but to clarify, he said he used the shotgun only on leopards and occasionaly on lions. on the lions, it was usually to scatter shot over the area he thought they were in, and would then get the rifle. with the leopards, he said that if the leopard was wounded, the animal would pounce usually before he could determine where the wounded animal was coming from. therefore, he would hold the shotgun at his side, with the barrel almost flush with his body to at least deflect the attack. This would allow him to get in a couple more shots without dying or getting mauled.
I just read this book last week, which is th eonly reason I can remember all of this!
But, back to grizzly, Thaninator, as I have no experience with the grizz/brown, I will pose a question: Have you any experiencw between teh coastals and inlands? if so, do you notice a temprament difference? Is one more aggressive than another?
beej
I read the 10 yd. thing regarding leopards only and in a few cases lions. It is in death on the dark continent, leopard chapter I think.
beej
I should have stated most of this above in this thread. but to clarify, he said he used the shotgun only on leopards and occasionaly on lions. on the lions, it was usually to scatter shot over the area he thought they were in, and would then get the rifle. with the leopards, he said that if the leopard was wounded, the animal would pounce usually before he could determine where the wounded animal was coming from. therefore, he would hold the shotgun at his side, with the barrel almost flush with his body to at least deflect the attack. This would allow him to get in a couple more shots without dying or getting mauled.
I just read this book last week, which is th eonly reason I can remember all of this!
But, back to grizzly, Thaninator, as I have no experience with the grizz/brown, I will pose a question: Have you any experiencw between teh coastals and inlands? if so, do you notice a temprament difference? Is one more aggressive than another?
beej
01-18-2002, 06:09 PM
#65
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Auburn New Hampshire USA
Posts: 74
RE: Grizzly Bears
Hey Thaninator - How about the .300 Rem Ultra Mag on Brown Bears??? They have 20% more energy than the .300 win mag and 17% more than the .300 Wby mag. Or do you feel the .338 is still the better choice. In terms of ballistic #'s the 300 UM is as good as the 338 win... However, I know the 338 has heavier bullet weights.
01-18-2002, 07:08 PM
#66
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: , Alaska USA
Posts: 89
RE: Grizzly Bears
Beej:
I would have to say that the though both variances of griz (coastal and inland) will try to avoid humans as much as possible, it is the inland critter that I would be most leery of.
With them, food is much harder to come by, therefore the chances of coming across an ill tempered animal is higher. Also, as ABW stated earlier, you will often find yourself in too close a proximity to one, with no cover or place to escape...hard to climb a tree in the middle of the tundra
On the other hand, the exact opposite situation can cause problems with their coastal cousins. There the cover can be intense...so thick, in fact, that you cannot see through it.
This is were a guy can get in trouble. Stumbling stealthily through the thick brush and coming upon a bear that is on a kill, with cubs, or just scared and/or pissed off.
Though there is plenty of cover, it is too thick to allow escape, and offers very little resistance to an enraged bear.
Just keep in mind, with either type of griz; most attacks occur for simple reasons...the bear feels you are a threat to its food, its cubs, or itself (leaving it no way or time to back out).
If you can avoid any of the above, the chances of being attacked are very slim.
In my case, the bear may have had his eye on the young moose I shot, before I saw it, and therefore felt a bit of a stake in it, or it may have just been trying to see if it could bully me off the carcass. Either way, it wasn't totally sure of itself, or its ownership - thankfully.
Skyhigh:
Can't say that I know much about these new calibers. The 300 ultra sounds like a pretty good weapon. I'm sure it will do a good job up here...though I'd opt for the heavier bullet when ever possible.
I'm not sure why, but for some reason the .300 is a very popular caliber. Most hunters that come up from the lower 48 have this rifle, and they continue to use it with great success up here. But in my mind (befuddled though it may be), I would much prefer the extra power and bullet weight of the .338. I see no down side to it, and have been in many situations where the extra bullet weight was a blessing.
Kinda like buying a 41 mag instead of moving all the way up to the .44 mag…don't understand it, but plenty of people do it.
Isn't there a .338 Ultra as well? Why not go for the heaviest bullet possible, while still maintaining range and accuracy? That bullet weight, along with it's velocity, plays heck with kinetic energy down range.
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I would have to say that the though both variances of griz (coastal and inland) will try to avoid humans as much as possible, it is the inland critter that I would be most leery of.
With them, food is much harder to come by, therefore the chances of coming across an ill tempered animal is higher. Also, as ABW stated earlier, you will often find yourself in too close a proximity to one, with no cover or place to escape...hard to climb a tree in the middle of the tundra
On the other hand, the exact opposite situation can cause problems with their coastal cousins. There the cover can be intense...so thick, in fact, that you cannot see through it.
This is were a guy can get in trouble. Stumbling stealthily through the thick brush and coming upon a bear that is on a kill, with cubs, or just scared and/or pissed off.
Though there is plenty of cover, it is too thick to allow escape, and offers very little resistance to an enraged bear.
Just keep in mind, with either type of griz; most attacks occur for simple reasons...the bear feels you are a threat to its food, its cubs, or itself (leaving it no way or time to back out).
If you can avoid any of the above, the chances of being attacked are very slim.
In my case, the bear may have had his eye on the young moose I shot, before I saw it, and therefore felt a bit of a stake in it, or it may have just been trying to see if it could bully me off the carcass. Either way, it wasn't totally sure of itself, or its ownership - thankfully.
Skyhigh:
Can't say that I know much about these new calibers. The 300 ultra sounds like a pretty good weapon. I'm sure it will do a good job up here...though I'd opt for the heavier bullet when ever possible.
I'm not sure why, but for some reason the .300 is a very popular caliber. Most hunters that come up from the lower 48 have this rifle, and they continue to use it with great success up here. But in my mind (befuddled though it may be), I would much prefer the extra power and bullet weight of the .338. I see no down side to it, and have been in many situations where the extra bullet weight was a blessing.
Kinda like buying a 41 mag instead of moving all the way up to the .44 mag…don't understand it, but plenty of people do it.
Isn't there a .338 Ultra as well? Why not go for the heaviest bullet possible, while still maintaining range and accuracy? That bullet weight, along with it's velocity, plays heck with kinetic energy down range.
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01-22-2002, 01:58 PM
#67
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Elizabeth CO USA
Posts: 68
RE: Grizzly Bears
Skyhigh,
To keep in line with your statment. It gets better than that. Why use a 338 Ultra when they make a 375 Ultra. 300 Gr bullet at over 2800 fps. I'll just stick to the H&H does a great job on just about everything.
To keep in line with your statment. It gets better than that. Why use a 338 Ultra when they make a 375 Ultra. 300 Gr bullet at over 2800 fps. I'll just stick to the H&H does a great job on just about everything.
01-22-2002, 02:08 PM
#68
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Elizabeth CO USA
Posts: 68
RE: Grizzly Bears
Beej,
Just happen to hve a copy of Capsticks book Last Horizons in the chapter named Buckshot- Powerhouse or powderpuff. Page 82last paragraph. "At ten yards I would take on any animal on earth with it (buckshot) except Asian and African Buffalo, Rhino and Elephant.At 60 yards I am firm in my knowledge that I could do more harm to deer with vodoo." I am firm in my knowledge that if the first time I've seen the Griz and he's coming hard is at ten yard well boys games up becuse he's already got you it's to late. They just move to damn fast.
Just happen to hve a copy of Capsticks book Last Horizons in the chapter named Buckshot- Powerhouse or powderpuff. Page 82last paragraph. "At ten yards I would take on any animal on earth with it (buckshot) except Asian and African Buffalo, Rhino and Elephant.At 60 yards I am firm in my knowledge that I could do more harm to deer with vodoo." I am firm in my knowledge that if the first time I've seen the Griz and he's coming hard is at ten yard well boys games up becuse he's already got you it's to late. They just move to damn fast.
01-24-2002, 10:52 AM
#69
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: USA United States USA
Posts: 123
RE: Grizzly Bears
HA!!!! See that? Buckshot at 10 yards CAN take a grizz, and that's ony the 2 3/4" shells. The 3 1/2"ers will take the rest, I guess that puts that argument to rest, eh?
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
From Squirrel to Elephant, the Shotgun is your gun.
01-24-2002, 10:56 AM
#70
Join Date: Feb 2003
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RE: Grizzly Bears
Surestrike. I agree with you wholeheartedly. I can understand capstick's use of buckshot at 10 yards with leopards and the such. However, when a leopard is jumping you and you hit it with buckshot it will deflect the leopard from your direction. I think we are in agreement that it wouldn't deflect a big brown/grizz. they have just a bit more weight than a leopard I would assume! sorry blain, I still don't agree with you.
beej
beej