Deliver Me From Magnums?
06-07-2003 | 11:14 AM
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RE: Deliver Me From Magnums?
Jorgy,
Make sure you put a 1x4 over your shoulder first! This should NOT involve any framing hammer beatings at all -- you may feel like you' ve been driving a stiff sprung jeep down a rough 4 wheel drive offroad trail for half a day, but if you end up cut, bruised or hurt, then either we didn' t do our job or you didn' t listen.
Seriously, I am not into getting people hurt just because they are curious or interested and want to give a magnum or a Rigby a go. A shoulder pad is a good idea (to simulate winter clothing -- they rent them for a buck). Fitting the rifle to you by adding something extra between the shoulder and the butt of the rifle to effectively lengthen the stock will keep your eye, nose, upper lip, and face away from your thumb and/or the scope. Wearing both ear plugs and muffs while making " on the range" communication a little difficult lets you focus on " just shooting the gun" -- you' ll be in your own " little world" .
We won' t have enough time or ammo to let everyone bench rest groups plus the bench rest is NO place for introductions to a foreign rifle bigger than what you are used to shooting. So the " introduction process" will most likely involve standing and shooting off hand. In the process of working your way up in caliber, " orientation" comes before bench " sharpshooting" -- comfort level first, groups second. I know I' m on a soapbox here; however, so many people get " hurt" by magnums because they didn' t realize that their basic fundamentals were sloppy (even though they could " get away with it" on the small bores) and/or they had no " gauge" or expectation of just how challenging the " push" was going to be and then when they move up to " NFL" level of play they have problems and surprises -- we want to avoid all that.
I' ll talk with the folks at the range about the details and get back to you all. Since we are bringing some significant artillary and perhaps a small crowd and we' ll probably use one of the 25 yard pistol bays so we can stand upright instead of " bench sit" , the range master/owner may have some say in how we set things up! He is a PH who hunts Tanzania 90 days per year and if he' ll take the time to work with us a bit, then I doubt if there is any of us who couldn' t learn a thing or two!
We are still looking for someone with a 458 Lott (preferably), a 460 Weatherby (cringe), or a 470 Nitro or Capstick (yikes). [Wow! Only one (the 460) of those last four is a designated " magnum" ]
Never Go Undergunned,
EKM
Make sure you put a 1x4 over your shoulder first! This should NOT involve any framing hammer beatings at all -- you may feel like you' ve been driving a stiff sprung jeep down a rough 4 wheel drive offroad trail for half a day, but if you end up cut, bruised or hurt, then either we didn' t do our job or you didn' t listen.
Seriously, I am not into getting people hurt just because they are curious or interested and want to give a magnum or a Rigby a go. A shoulder pad is a good idea (to simulate winter clothing -- they rent them for a buck). Fitting the rifle to you by adding something extra between the shoulder and the butt of the rifle to effectively lengthen the stock will keep your eye, nose, upper lip, and face away from your thumb and/or the scope. Wearing both ear plugs and muffs while making " on the range" communication a little difficult lets you focus on " just shooting the gun" -- you' ll be in your own " little world" .
We won' t have enough time or ammo to let everyone bench rest groups plus the bench rest is NO place for introductions to a foreign rifle bigger than what you are used to shooting. So the " introduction process" will most likely involve standing and shooting off hand. In the process of working your way up in caliber, " orientation" comes before bench " sharpshooting" -- comfort level first, groups second. I know I' m on a soapbox here; however, so many people get " hurt" by magnums because they didn' t realize that their basic fundamentals were sloppy (even though they could " get away with it" on the small bores) and/or they had no " gauge" or expectation of just how challenging the " push" was going to be and then when they move up to " NFL" level of play they have problems and surprises -- we want to avoid all that.
I' ll talk with the folks at the range about the details and get back to you all. Since we are bringing some significant artillary and perhaps a small crowd and we' ll probably use one of the 25 yard pistol bays so we can stand upright instead of " bench sit" , the range master/owner may have some say in how we set things up! He is a PH who hunts Tanzania 90 days per year and if he' ll take the time to work with us a bit, then I doubt if there is any of us who couldn' t learn a thing or two!
We are still looking for someone with a 458 Lott (preferably), a 460 Weatherby (cringe), or a 470 Nitro or Capstick (yikes). [Wow! Only one (the 460) of those last four is a designated " magnum" ]
Never Go Undergunned,
EKM
06-08-2003 | 01:19 PM
#25
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RE: Deliver Me From Magnums?
I think a shoulder pad for a buck sounds like a pretty good deal 
I know a day behind the bench with my 300 will give me a good sore shoulder. And I really like the advise about double ear protection, I probably wouldn' t have thought to bring plugs too. When I first bought my 7mm mag I got into a flinching problem until an old timer at the range had me where his ear muffs instead of just my plugs and it did the trick.
I know a day behind the bench with my 300 will give me a good sore shoulder. And I really like the advise about double ear protection, I probably wouldn' t have thought to bring plugs too. When I first bought my 7mm mag I got into a flinching problem until an old timer at the range had me where his ear muffs instead of just my plugs and it did the trick.
06-08-2003 | 04:07 PM
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RE: Deliver Me From Magnums?
Wish I lived in Colorado to (or any of the Rocky Mtn States).
I would like to get aquainted with the 416 Rigby or 416 Rem Mags[>:]. Don' t think I would touch the .460 Weatherby. [
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I will start purchasing big bore rifles shortly. Plan on starting with a .338 win mag I know this is a med bore. Or have Melvin Forbes at Ultra Light build a .358 Norma mag this should quallify as entry level big bore, right?
Hey ELKampMaster, did you get the email I sent you about Holland and Holland new .400?
Try the electronic muffs to help with muzzle blast
I would like to get aquainted with the 416 Rigby or 416 Rem Mags[>:]. Don' t think I would touch the .460 Weatherby. []I will start purchasing big bore rifles shortly
. Plan on starting with a .338 win mag I know this is a med bore. Or have Melvin Forbes at Ultra Light build a .358 Norma mag this should quallify as entry level big bore, right?Hey ELKampMaster, did you get the email I sent you about Holland and Holland new .400?
Try the electronic muffs to help with muzzle blast
06-08-2003 | 06:47 PM
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RE: Deliver Me From Magnums?
neweboarhunter,
Sorry didn' t get the email OR got it and didn' t recognize it for what it was and mass nuked it along with all the other " stuff." Sorry. Resend and I will try to catch it.
Definition of big bore depends on the part of the world you are in AND the group you are talking to:
*** [Extreme] Craig Boddington' s " Safari Rifles" lists the 375 as a mid bore, 450' s and up as big bores, and the 416' s as a convenient and " un-named" in between group.
*** [Regular] Other websites use the .40 caliber AND 4000 ft lbs at the muzzle rule.
*** [Easy] For our group here anything over a 30-06 probably qualifies since we have a pretty provincial NA (deer hunting) standard. We bounced it around in another thread figuring 8mmMag and up we could call " big bore" and keep folks happy. Fine by me.
As far a which caliber to get next, just think in terms of caliber/cartridge spacing, no sense in bunching them up.
Never Go Undergunned,
EKM
Sorry didn' t get the email OR got it and didn' t recognize it for what it was and mass nuked it along with all the other " stuff." Sorry. Resend and I will try to catch it.
Definition of big bore depends on the part of the world you are in AND the group you are talking to:
*** [Extreme] Craig Boddington' s " Safari Rifles" lists the 375 as a mid bore, 450' s and up as big bores, and the 416' s as a convenient and " un-named" in between group.
*** [Regular] Other websites use the .40 caliber AND 4000 ft lbs at the muzzle rule.
*** [Easy] For our group here anything over a 30-06 probably qualifies since we have a pretty provincial NA (deer hunting) standard. We bounced it around in another thread figuring 8mmMag and up we could call " big bore" and keep folks happy. Fine by me.
As far a which caliber to get next, just think in terms of caliber/cartridge spacing, no sense in bunching them up.
Never Go Undergunned,
EKM
06-08-2003 | 09:41 PM
#28
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RE: Deliver Me From Magnums?
Hello BBE! (Big Bore Enthusiasts)
EKM, I know the site was nuked, so if you didn' t get my mail, please let me know. Jorgy and others, the PAST pads et al work wonders. I have several, and if we happen to meet at the range, don' t worry about recoil. You might be surprised how gentle the love touch is. I went to the range yesterday and shot horrible groups because the only thing on my mind was EKM' s Rigby!
EKM, I know the site was nuked, so if you didn' t get my mail, please let me know. Jorgy and others, the PAST pads et al work wonders. I have several, and if we happen to meet at the range, don' t worry about recoil. You might be surprised how gentle the love touch is. I went to the range yesterday and shot horrible groups because the only thing on my mind was EKM' s Rigby!