Go Back  HuntingNet.com Forums > General Hunting Forums > Big Game Hunting
 Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds >

Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Community
Big Game Hunting Moose, elk, mulies, caribou, bear, goats, and sheep are all covered here.

Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Thread Tools
 
Old 01-13-2007, 09:12 AM
  #1  
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
 
BrutalAttack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location:
Posts: 1,572
Default Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005113772'

By STEVE BENSON
Express Staff Writer









Photo courtesy Idaho Department of Fish and Game Three wolves from a Central Idaho pack gather on a hillside last winter.


There is no evidence that wolves have decimated elk populations throughout Idaho, according to two scientists who have been studying the predator for several years.

"At this point there is very little evidence that the presence of wolves has caused a decline in elk numbers anywhere, especially in Central Idaho," said Jim Peek, a retired professor of wildlife biology and a member of the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation board of directors.

Peek, who also helped write Idaho's wolf management plan, said elk populations fluctuate naturally and that the impacts of 1996's particularly harsh winter, which killed hordes of elk, are still being felt.
"When that happens, people like to blame the predators," Peek said during a teleconference with regional wildlife experts Thursday.
He said it's too early to tell how much wolves will influence elk populations in the long run and that while there may be "some lower levels of elk, it won't be a big deal from the standpoint of a hunter."

The teleconference was hosted by Defenders of Wildlife, a national organization dedicated to the preservation of wild animals and native plants in their natural environment, in order to dispel certain myths about the gray wolf, mainly that it's decimating elk populations. The large predator, which was reintroduced to Central Idaho and Yellowstone National Park 11 years ago, is considered recovered and is poised to lose its federal protection under the Endangered Species Act and be opened to hunting as early as 2008.

For the past 18 years, Holly Akenson, a scientist from the University of Idaho, has lived with her husband, Jim, in a remote cabin near Big Creek in the heart of the vast 2.3 million-acre Frank Church-River of No Return Wilderness Area. Between 1998 and 2003, the couple conducted a comprehensive study on the relationship between wolves, cougars and ungulates, or hoofed animals. Using the carcasses of 192 large mammals, the scientists concluded that wolves preyed mostly on vulnerable elk and deer—the young, old, sick or injured. Wolves did not appear to prefer elk over deer, killing a similar amount of both animals, Akenson said.

Massive wildfires burned about 500,000 acres between the second and third summer of the study, and that complicated the research, Akenson said. Mule deer numbers skyrocketed with new vegetative growth but elk numbers initially declined. By last summer, the area's elk population had increased since 2002 but was still 17 percent lower than it was 11 years ago, when 66 wolves were reintroduced to Central Idaho and Yellowstone National Park. There are now an estimated 650 wolves in 70 verified packs throughout Idaho, and more than 1,200 in the region, which includes Wyoming and Montana.

In a summary of the study, Akenson said "some of this decline is undoubtedly due to wolf predation" but that other factors, such as overbrowsing and declining elk calf recruitment, are the more weighty culprits.
Suzanne Stone, the Northern Rockies representative of Defenders of Wildlife, said wolves are responsible for less than 1 percent of all livestock depredations.

Stone is concerned that Idaho's political leadership, which is generally
anti-wolf, will influence the state's new management plan to dramatically reduce the statewide wolf population.
She said the Idaho wolf management plan was constructed for and by ranchers and anti-wolf groups. She also pointed out the cursor at the beginning of the plan is that "the state Legislature wants no wolves in Idaho and wants them removed."

Stone and Ralph Maughan, president of the Wolf Recovery Foundation and a professor of political science at Idaho State University, are concerned that the Legislature will push for aggressive control measures, including eliminating entire packs of wolves.

But the state's new wolf management plan will be crafted over the next year with public input and must be finally approved by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, which is responsible for ensuring the species' numbers do not drop low enough to warrant an eventual re-listing.
Steve Nadeau, wolf program supervisor for the Idaho Department of Fish and Game, has said that nothing drastic will occur and that populations will remain stable.

Idaho's management plan calls for maintaining a minimum of 15 wolf packs in the state forever. Some are concerned that the state will allow populations to dip that low. However, in December Nadaeau said the state "(does not) have any goals or objectives to knock the population down to 15 (packs)."
BrutalAttack is offline  
Old 01-13-2007, 11:54 AM
  #2  
Fork Horn
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 144
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

you know its funny...i've been hunting the same area all my life and until 3 years ago we had never found sign of wolves. i know there were always a few but not in the numbers there are now, and for the last three years i have seen a TOTAL of 10 elk. and this is the same area for years and years you would see hundreds of elk during hunting season.

i have worked for idaho fish and game, so i know some of these biologists that supposedly know whats going on. most of the ones i met were paper pushing idiots too self absorbed to do any actual field work.

i say they are full of S***
caselesss5 is offline  
Old 01-13-2007, 12:36 PM
  #3  
 
game4lunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cheyoming
Posts: 870
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Funny, the so called "Defenders of Wildlife" come up with all kinds of excuses or studies that explain the "natural" rise and fall of deer, moose, and elk numbers . . . But they never can allow the "natural" rise and fall of wolf numbers.

There are no bigger hypocrites than bunny huggin' "animal lovers". The licensed hunter has done more toconservethe "natural" balance in the animal populations than any special interest group. We look at all critters, not just the popular or politically advantageous ones!


game4lunch is offline  
Old 01-13-2007, 05:36 PM
  #4  
Typical Buck
 
Montana Bob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Anchorage,Alaska
Posts: 512
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack
There is no evidence that wolves have decimated elk populations throughout Idaho, according to two scientists who have been studying the predator for several years.
Weren't these the same 2 chuckle heads that the tobacco companies hired to say cigarettes didn't pose a health risk and were non addictive.
I still think the earth is flat and we didn't land on the moon it was all made up in Hollywierd.
I know these are true because some clown with adegreesaid soorput them in print.
Montana Bob is offline  
Old 01-13-2007, 09:48 PM
  #5  
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: NW Wyoming
Posts: 312
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Let's see, if the 1200 wolves eat meat, and they eat one elk permonth. per wolf, 365 days a year, that's a lot of dead elk. And that is probably conservative.

The scientists are full of ****, and the wolves here in Wyoming are affecting elk populations. There are some areas where you don't see any elk, tags are being reduced, moose tags are being reduced, so unless the wolves are vegitarians, or aliens are taking the big game, then the wolves must be killing. 1200 wolves have to eat, and rabbits are not going to fill them up. The introdcution of candian wolves will go down in history as one of the stupidest things the USF&W has ever done.


Wolves, government sponserd terrorism! Thanks uncle sam!
RandyA is offline  
Old 01-14-2007, 08:38 AM
  #6  
 
game4lunch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cheyoming
Posts: 870
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Read this article:
http://www.magicvalley.com/articles/2007/01/14/ap-state-id/d8mklu8o0.txt

It is just an example of why wolves are not hunted yet in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming. Political ping pong!
game4lunch is offline  
Old 01-14-2007, 03:25 PM
  #7  
Nontypical Buck
 
Howler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Elizabeth Colo. USA
Posts: 4,413
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Wolves and the impact they have on other game animals is much like global warming, ask enough scientists for thier professional opinion and you'll find one that supports your theory!
Howler is offline  
Old 01-14-2007, 07:50 PM
  #8  
 
trouthunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Midvale, Id USA
Posts: 406
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

FiveWords!

Shoot...Shovel...and Shut Up!
trouthunter is offline  
Old 01-14-2007, 11:35 PM
  #9  
Nontypical Buck
 
idahoelkinstructor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location:
Posts: 2,555
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

Brutal, Attack, aka wolf lover,
you should get a clue, of course I am sure you also think the al qeada and bin laden are just misguided souls who are in need of some anti-depressants. I am sure once on medication they could move into any suburb in america and everything will be just hunky dory. Being serious I swear you are a peta lover in disguise. Yea sure wolves don't kill elk, heck I guess all of us real Idahoan elk hunters who have seen the damage with our own eyes can't possible know the meaning of what we have seen. After all we don't have some fancy degree with a Dr. in front of our name and call our selfs scientists.
idahoelkinstructor is offline  
Old 01-14-2007, 11:37 PM
  #10  
Nontypical Buck
 
idahoelkinstructor's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location:
Posts: 2,555
Default RE: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds

FiveWords!

Shoot...Shovel...and Shut Up!

Well Said I agree SSS!
idahoelkinstructor is offline  


Quick Reply: Scientists: Wolves not decimating elk herds


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.