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270 too small?
I know the 270 win is a great for deer and probably would be great on caribou. But what about moose. If you loaded up with some penetrating bulets would it be more than enough. Whats the defferences in the body builds between moose and elk.
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RE: 270 too small?
"more than enough?"
No. Is it "adequate" on a standing broadside shots ofup to100 yards? Yes. |
RE: 270 too small?
Yes it is. The 270 is a great round if you put the bullet in the right place. My granfather kept his family fed for years with moose taken with a 270. In 04 I dropped a bull in his tracks with a 150gr core-loc out of my old 270.
Kirby |
RE: 270 too small?
The 270 is an excellent Moose rifle. The heavier bullets have a very good SD and will penetrate like gangbusters.
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RE: 270 too small?
Personally, i'd use 150 NP's if i was going to use it on moose...
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RE: 270 too small?
Despite their larger size,I find moose easier to kill than elk.I would not hesitate to use a 270win,if it was the largest cartridge that I owned.I would be using the barnes tsx.
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RE: 270 too small?
 Here we go again! Ask yourself this--> Why did you feel the need to ask the question. You must feel like its a borderline cartridge or you wouldn't feel the need to ask. Or maybe you're just trying to start an argument. Is it "more than enough"? Hell no. Is it adequate? Yes, but by a slim margin. It certainly will kill a moose or elk. Many have fallen to them. Would it be my first choice? No. If it was all that I had I wouldn't hesitate to take it. |
RE: 270 too small?
not too small atall. use win silvertip ammo. not the blk silvertip stuff, the real stuff. cabelas 22.99 a box. walmart has it in your non-urban Republican neighborhood stores for 18.99.
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RE: 270 too small?
Gun has plenty. I would use a Nosler Partion or the Accubond, but the Partion would be my first choice!!
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RE: 270 too small?
Why did you feel the need to ask the question. You must feel like its a borderline cartridge or you wouldn't feel the need to ask. Is it "more than enough"? Hell no. Is it adequate? Yes, but by a slim margin. I still wouldn't consider it to be the 'best' elk and moose gun but it is definetly up to the task. HFF, look at what the rest of the world uses to hunt similar sized and tough animals (6.5X55mm, 7mm Mauser, .303 Britt, etc...)and you will quickly realize that Americans are about the only ones that are hung up on 'needing' magnums to kill animals. |
RE: 270 too small?
ORIGINAL: bigbulls HFF, look at what the rest of the world uses to hunt similar sized and tough animals (6.5X55mm, 7mm Mauser, .303 Britt, etc...)and you will quickly realize that Americans are about the only ones that are hung up on 'needing' magnums to kill animals. |
RE: 270 too small?
I wonder how many people who voice an opinion have actually killed a moose, or even packed one out?
The thing is, a .270 WILL kill a moose, without a doubt. The other thing is, it takes a lung shot moose about five minutes to bleed out and die. In that five minutes, that 1400 lb moose is going to go where they always go when they get in trouble -- WATER! You are going to have a bugger of a time breaking a mature bull down with a .270 if you need to in a hurry. You may have one shot to get him down FAST. Personally, I would bring an .30-06 or larger. Just as an afterthought, a co-worker of mine used to guide up here. One time, a woman client refused to shoot anything larger than a .270 on a grizzly hunt. He was young, and against his better judgment allowed it. She got her bear, but it was pretty bad on both him and the bear. He calls that one of his dumbest mistakes ever as a guide. |
RE: 270 too small?
AlaskaMagnum has a point. Robert Raurk killed cape buffalo with an 06. So it can do the job. But would you really want to be the trigger man on that job? I have seen Elk that were killed with a 250 Savage. I read in a book KILLER BEARS that an Inuitup in Alaska killed a Grizzly with a .22LR. He didn't have a choice but, MAN!!! I would go with a 30-06 at least for Moose. Hornady Light magnums are stepping on the heels of the 300. Win. Mag. And you don't want to swim after him. But if it is what you have at hand, it will do. But use good ammo with a quallity bullet, and make that shot count.
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RE: 270 too small?
If you own a larger caliber rifle? Use it. If not? Yes the 270-winchester will kill a moose. BUT why use a 270, when there or better calibers for the job?
My wife killed her moose with a 300-win mag. Would the 270-winchester have worked on her moose? Yes. Did she trust her 270-winchester, when she already owned a 300-win mag? NO. She shoots her 300-win mag very well. She has killedtons of Antelope, Whitetail,Mule deer, Elk & 1-Bull Moose. With her 300-win mag. She has also killed several animals with her 270-Winchester. The 300-win mag, just kills them deader.:D As a side note I found out why they call a moose tag a once in a lifetime tag. The answer is simple, once you pack one out you will never want to do it again.[:-] |
RE: 270 too small?
As a side note I found out why they call a moose tag a once in a lifetime tag. The answer is simple, once you pack one out you will never want to do it again.[:-] |
RE: 270 too small?
I went to Newfoundland last October. The guides there said that the .270 and 30.06 are the most popular cartridge used up there for moose by the locals. They don't use the big magnums. Shells are too expensive.
Alaskan moose are much bigger than Newfoundland's moose, though. I used a 30.06 with 180 gr. Accubonds.  |
RE: 270 too small?
a moose can be taken with almost any gun. the question is what will do the job right. You are faced with an ethical question here, and it is your responsibility to respect the animal enough to make the cleanest kill possible. while this is possible with a .270, the slightest error in shot placement could leave you tracking a wounded animal and perhaps not finding it. Personally, i would recommend at least a .300 just to minimize any risk of loosing an animal.
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RE: 270 too small?
ORIGINAL: bigbulls HFF, look at what the rest of the world uses to hunt similar sized and tough animals (6.5X55mm, 7mm Mauser, .303 Britt, etc...)and you will quickly realize that Americans are about the only ones that are hung up on 'needing' magnums to kill animals. An interesting disownment. The United States sits at the forefront of firearm and cartridge development just as the Brits did before us early in the last century before the torch passed to us. No other country canmatch theU.S. firearms industry forsport hunting cartridge development; nor the total numbers of hunters; nor the total number of hunters who can afford to hunt big game world wide. Some of the aforementioned folks fromother countries where firearm ownership is restrictedand hunting way be on the wanemay tend to justget by with what they've got or whats been handed down(like many in the USA even); however, as a group, the big game hunting contingent (notdeer)from America is pressing forward intothe new century. Theyvastly dominate the Big Game Huntingnumbers across the world. These hunters typically bring their "best game to the table" by utilizingrobust cartridges and capable rifles and quality optics and leavingthe more mediocre/"just get by"stuff at home. Laggards frequently decry the changing of the times; however, the times are indeed a changing as polls show. The folks that once thought the 38-55 and 44-40 were the hot stink probably were all bent out of shape about the new fangled 30-06 (1906) and 375 H&H(1912) both of whichare now classic benchmarks. For the most part the American hunters that are leaving the local deer patch to step uptheirlevel of playare also stepping up to more robust weaponry. IMHO, if you have witnessed the difference in the immediate "effect of bullet on impact"upon manyof thelarger game animals,then there is noneed to ponder why this very real trend is continuing. |
RE: 270 too small?
While I haven't hunted moose, I have had the opportunity to hunt elk on two occasions. Granted not a lot of experience, but I certainly did my homework. My collection already included a 35 Whelen, 2 30-06's, and a 307 winchester. The addition I made was a Ruger all weather s/s synthetic in 270 WSM 22" barrel. Nice and light and with the addition of the Decelerator recoil pad it really tames the felt recoil with the 150 gr loads. Although I have settled on the 140 gr accubond chronied at 3075 fps. These are my handloads, though I'd imagine a 130 gr partition would be up to the task. I suggest practice, practice and when you think you doing pretty well, practice some more. Who knows the triple shock, A-frame and failsafe have excellent reputations for deep penetration. Oh yeh, on a side note my bullet selections would have been for the 270, a 150 gr of premium construction like the partition, failsafe etc. you have to see which shoots best in your gun, for the 06 wouldhave been a 165-180 gr, again of premium construction, for the Whelen, the 225 gr partition is really hard to beatwithouth having to move up to the 250's or hard cast.Now with all that being said if I were to buy a gun for the moose hunt specifically I would do some homework and speak to the outfitters if that's how you doing it. They can give valuable insight as to the shooting conditions that you'll encounter and will often make a recomendation. Like BigBulls said the standards in Europe are the same cartridges that have been around for over a hundred years like the 6.5x55, 7x57, etc.
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I'm going this fall to Quebec with my .270win and using 150gn Nosler partitions. My Tikka Lite shoots 1" groups at 200yards with the NP. I guess it's now up to me and a little luck. I do have a Tikka Lite in .308win but I just like the way the .270 shoots.
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Sure it will do the job as well as most of the next cartridges your going to get replies on. I don't see a major difference until you step up to a 338win mag or beyond as far as really putting the hurt on a animal at close range. That becomes a debate of energy displacement on impact then. The ole V vs U factor. Even the buffalo guides will tell you a 444marlin or a 45-70 will put the hurt on bison with a more visual effect of knocking one to the ground more so than a 300win mag or 338 win mag. But the later two have more ft lbs. You may have a moose get into the water or may walk off in the woods but it may just drop right there. But no matter what cartridge you shoot that can happen anyway. I love 270win but it may have more zip than pop at close range for shooting moose but put it in the right spot and it won't matter one bit.
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personally I would want nothing less than a 300mag or maybe 30-06, and would prefer a 338win.mag or 375H&H etc...
I plan to be shooting big slow bullets for moose, in probably the 338 or 375 calibers. btw aren't moose often in grizzly country? would you want to shoot a grizzly with a 270 or a 375? what's the minimum required by law? I forget what it was for my buffalo, I think .27cal/150grs was the minimum. |
Since this thread was back in 2006, I'm hoping the guy has made a decision on which caliber and has acted on that desicion. Six years seems like plenty of time to mull it ver, so to speak. LMFAO!
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I guess it's hard to keep out.
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Based on the moose I had killed in 2006 when this thread was started I would have said the 270 is plenty of gun for moose, even the big Alaska-Yukon variety. In the last six years, thanks largely to the internet, I have learned that no game whatsoever should be hunted with anything smaller than a 500 Nitro Express. Really, what if you're out squirrel hunting and you get attacked by a rabid Kodiak bear that's wearing body armor the anti-hunters put on it. Is that a risk you're willing to take? Not me. Time to go load up some .408 Cheytac. Spring turkey season is about to start.
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Moose don't take a lot to kill if a good shot is made. Whitetail deer take a lot to kill if a bad shot is made. Over the last 25 years I've killed or been with hunters that killed more moose than my back cares to think about.Three were taken with bow & arrow.I'll try to list them the best I can ,1 with 243, 1-30-30,1-35 rem,1 20 ga slug,1-12 ga slug,1 44 mag. 2- 444,1 -45/70,several? with 30-06, about 6 with 300 win mag, 1 -338 mag.some I'm not sure of but. None went over 50 yrds, most less than 30 and a few were DRT the 30-30, 444,both and the 20 ga all fell on the spot. Does that make them the best moose guns?Or does it mean you make a good shot on a moose with most reasonable calibers the blood trail will be short?
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Yes there is a differance between deer and moose.
If a .270 is all you have, so be it; but it would NOT be my first choice ! |
A .270 with a 160gr partition should work fine for Moose.
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Caliber Bullet/gr Muzzle 100 yards 200 yards 300 yards 400 yards 500 yards
fps/ft lbs 500 yard Drop 270 win Hornady SST 130gr 3200 /2955 2984/2570 2788/2228 2582/1924 2393/1653 2213/1414 -33.7 270 win Hornady SST 140gr 3090/2968 2894/2603 2706/2276 2526/1983 2353/1721 2187/1487 -35.4 7mm-08 Hornady SST 139gr 2950/ 2686 2757 2345 2571/2040 2393/1768 2222 /1524 2059/1308 -39.6 308 win Hornady SST 150gr 3000/2997 2772/2558 2555/2173 2348/1836 2151/1540 1963/1282 -40.7 308 win Hornady SST 165gr 2840/2955 2635/2544 2439/2180 2252/1858 2079/1574 1902/1325 -44.7 30-06 spr Hornady SST 150gr 3080/3159 2848/2700 2627/2298 2417/1945 2216/1636 2025/1366 -38.4 30-06 spr Hornady SST 165gr 2960/3209 2750/2769 2549/2380 2357/2034 2173/1729 1997/1461 -40.7 30-06 spr Hornady SST 180gr 2820/3178 2630/2764 2447/2393 2272/2063 2104/1769 1944/1509 -44.1 This how a 270win stacks up against other standard calibers using the same bullets from the same manufacturer. It's pretty plain it can hold it's own in the short range field and over comes and out preforms in most long range applications. The 270 win has been sold short in many discussions about big game cartridges. Unless it's a magnum it's hard to beat the 270 win as an all around big game cartridge and has plenty of power to do what the rest of the standard calibers do. Especially at longer ranges. I didn't put the 280 rem in the mix but it's right there with the 270win. Of course there's different bullets and different loads but this is pretty black n white comparison. I too reload my own so I do know about super performance loads as which these loads are done by Hornady. |
boy i hope it is,i still use my old 30-40 for elk in the brush.the 270 has more than enuff for the lower 48,just practice practice practice.we got folks that still use a 30-30 for elk
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30-40 with 220's = dead elk
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Originally Posted by finnbear
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30-40 with 220's = dead elk
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I have seen this thread started many times here "Is a 270 big enough". And one man hit it on the head years ago here is his words.
by RedRiver: IMHO....I would recommend a sharp stick! Here is my logic..... More game has been killed with it than any other. It doesn't weigh very much. It is readily available. Very little recoil. (Provided you throw it. If you stab him with it you could get a little reverb) As long as you limit yourself to the range you are comfortable with(i.e. don't try to stab him from a range longer than your stick)and use proper point placement, you will be satisfied with the results!!! Just remember to get comfortable with your stick and practice sufficiently to acquire the proper confidence. As an added bonus, when you realize that you have spent all this money, time and effort on what could have been an outstanding hunt, perhaps even the hunt of a lifetime, but yet had to pass up your shot due to the fact that you un-necessarily handicapped yourself by trying to use the least amount of force possible............ you can use your stick to actually do a field study as to whether that realization at that particular point in time is any more painful than a sharp stick in the eye!!! __________________ |
I like it !
............but after all you still got to get within the lengh of the stick or throw it and at that you're not going to get good penatration. ...........and you probably won't use it if you had a bow & arrow, handgun, shotgun or rifle. So, at least "plan" to make a clean Kill ...........Each has it's limitations !!! |
Thats all most of the locals use around here,myself included.Cant rember any probulms:biggrin:.pan.
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Originally Posted by pan man
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Thats all most of the locals use around here,myself included.Cant rember any probulms:biggrin:.pan.
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Originally Posted by jlynch34
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I'm going this fall to Quebec with my .270win and using 150gn Nosler partitions. My Tikka Lite shoots 1" groups at 200yards with the NP. I guess it's now up to me and a little luck. I do have a Tikka Lite in .308win but I just like the way the .270 shoots.
A 270 is roughtly a necked-down 30-06. You will get really good penetration with the 270 but not nearly as much power as with a belted magnum cartridge. So you may need to do some hiking and tracking to follow the blood trail. If you're on horseback that is no big problem. If not it could be a really big problem. |
Originally Posted by justhuntitall
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I have seen this thread started many times here "Is a 270 big enough". And one man hit it on the head years ago here is his words.
by RedRiver: IMHO....I would recommend a sharp stick! Here is my logic..... More game has been killed with it than any other. It doesn't weigh very much. It is readily available. Very little recoil. (Provided you throw it. If you stab him with it you could get a little reverb) As long as you limit yourself to the range you are comfortable with(i.e. don't try to stab him from a range longer than your stick)and use proper point placement, you will be satisfied with the results!!! Just remember to get comfortable with your stick and practice sufficiently to acquire the proper confidence. As an added bonus, when you realize that you have spent all this money, time and effort on what could have been an outstanding hunt, perhaps even the hunt of a lifetime, but yet had to pass up your shot due to the fact that you un-necessarily handicapped yourself by trying to use the least amount of force possible............ you can use your stick to actually do a field study as to whether that realization at that particular point in time is any more painful than a sharp stick in the eye!!! |
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