RMEF and wolves
#11
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location:
Posts: 12
RE: RMEF and wolves
Did anybody see Jim Zumbo's article on "Bull's Nests". Well I imagine the locales have seen them. A big Monster Bull will not migrate down with the rest of the herd, as long as he can find an area that has food & water. He will stay in this area until spring. Now what do you think happens when hungry wolves find this nest. (But remember game scientists say that wolves only attack the weak or injured elk. YOU BET) I say they get the bull up & run him through the deep snow, until he's worn down & then kill & eat him.I'm also no longer a RMEF member. Their job is to care about ELK & improvingELK enviroment &ELK hunters.
#12
Fork Horn
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hells Canyon
Posts: 130
RE: RMEF and wolves
I did read an article where RMEF supported the wolf reintroduction a long time ago and asked one of our local committee members about it. He said that was true and repeated the RMEF's stance on needing predators for a healthy heard (you know they only kill the sick and injured).
I quit the RMEF and so has that committee member, have no plans to go see the new multi-million dollar center they built with the money that everyone thought was going to elk habitat. Find it upsetting that I gave money unknowingly that may have been donated to support wolf reintroduction.
I quit the RMEF and so has that committee member, have no plans to go see the new multi-million dollar center they built with the money that everyone thought was going to elk habitat. Find it upsetting that I gave money unknowingly that may have been donated to support wolf reintroduction.
#14
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: hampshire tennessee
Posts: 35
RE: RMEF and wolves
Having just joined RMEF in december,they sent me a sept-oct back issue in early Jan.What a shock!!!! I thought I had joined Rocky Mountain WOLF Foundation. It had about 10 articles and stories about wolves that seemed to me to try to "soften us up" on them and hardly any elk hunting articles.
Having hunted in central Id in 03 and 04 I personally saw how they can affect hunting.We couldn't understand why no bulls were answering us untill we saw fresh wolf tracks in the snow and later saw plenty elk tracks too. the wolves made the elk quiet.
I will not be renewing with RMEF
Having hunted in central Id in 03 and 04 I personally saw how they can affect hunting.We couldn't understand why no bulls were answering us untill we saw fresh wolf tracks in the snow and later saw plenty elk tracks too. the wolves made the elk quiet.
I will not be renewing with RMEF
#15
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Utah
Posts: 80
RE: RMEF and wolves
Some of you might find this entertaining. An article written in the Casper Star Tribune a couple of weeks ago said a scientest had done extensive research and concluded that hunters and the drought have a much larger impact on the Yellowstone elk herd than wolves and are to blame for the large decrease in the herd over the last ten years. He says the fact that the wolf reintroduction program started about ten years ago is purely coincidence. By the way, lets not forget that hunting is illegal in Yellowstone! While I did find the article semi-humorous just because its a joke that someone would actually believe such things, I was dissapointed that Wyoming's most popular newspaper ran such a ludacris article on the front page
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location:
Posts: 2,395
RE: RMEF and wolves
windriverhnter, I read the same article. I bought the paper & threw it away after I read the article.
Just in case you guys have not figured it out yet? I HATE Wolves.
I wish the federal goverment would turn over wolf management to the states & walk away. I do not trust the feds to manage them the right way.
I was a long time member of the RMEF. I dropped my membership two years ago.
Just in case you guys have not figured it out yet? I HATE Wolves.
I wish the federal goverment would turn over wolf management to the states & walk away. I do not trust the feds to manage them the right way.
I was a long time member of the RMEF. I dropped my membership two years ago.
#19
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 334
RE: RMEF and wolves
The RMEF never donated money to wolf re-introduction, they have provided money for research however, tosupport the facts that wolves have "recovered" and need to be de-listed. If you want wolves delisted, Congress needs to hear sound biological data, not a bunch of wound up hunters. They did take a very soft even pro-wolf stance in the beginning, now have changed leadership and stance as well. They promote de-listing so the states can manage their own wolves. The RMEF is a very large organization that is not composed only of hunters, even though hunters are by far the majority of the group, and benefit the most from theiraquisitions. The RMEF would never have had the power to stop this politically driven environmental fiasco, not to mention an act of Congress.No matter what they did, it would have been too much or not enough, and people would be cancelling memberships. Do you guys actually believe wolf re-introduction in Yellowstone was even about wolves or elk? Many are yapping about access, development, winter range. That is what the RMEF is trying to do,save that developable winter range from interests not concerned about elk and/or hunting. The recent purchase in the Elkhorns is a prime example. They saved that land from a developer from Bozeman, literally minutes from being bought and subdivided and lost from hunting forever. It makes me nervous that so many hunters bash an organization that recognizes a need to "save" habitat, AND is pro-hunting.
And the new building. The money for that building did not come from banquets, subscriptions, etc.. The money for that building came from specific donations of money, labor, and materials specific for the building, even the landscaping was a complete donation. The mortgage payment left over is actually less than the RENT the RMEF was paying for their previous location. Did you know that? Now they have some awsome collateral for more land, which means more elk habitat, and more hunting opportunities. Do you have more faith in the Forest Circus, the State, or big timber companies like Plum Creek, not to sell their lands to the highest bidders? They are already doing it.
Heck if you still hate the RMEF, then give your money to other pro-habitate groups like Sierra Club, Earth First, Alliance for the Wild Rockies. See how they view hunting and where your money gets spent there. Can you say LOIYAS!!!
And the new building. The money for that building did not come from banquets, subscriptions, etc.. The money for that building came from specific donations of money, labor, and materials specific for the building, even the landscaping was a complete donation. The mortgage payment left over is actually less than the RENT the RMEF was paying for their previous location. Did you know that? Now they have some awsome collateral for more land, which means more elk habitat, and more hunting opportunities. Do you have more faith in the Forest Circus, the State, or big timber companies like Plum Creek, not to sell their lands to the highest bidders? They are already doing it.
Heck if you still hate the RMEF, then give your money to other pro-habitate groups like Sierra Club, Earth First, Alliance for the Wild Rockies. See how they view hunting and where your money gets spent there. Can you say LOIYAS!!!
#20
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Sheridan WY USA
Posts: 21
RE: RMEF and wolves
Hey Garminator, I live in Sheridan, WY alongside the Big Horn Mountains and I've seen wolves three times now while elk hunting. The G&F don't want to publicly admit there are wolves there, but trust me, they are. Two years ago while camped on the east end of She Bear Mountain in the Walker Prairie area of the Big Horns I encountered two wolves, who like the ones you encountered, took off like rockets when they saw me. That night we had a local game warden ride through our camp and stop for a cup and chat. While he wouldn't officially admit that they were wolves, he did admit off the record that he was familiar with the pair that I had described and seemed to understand and actually agree with my anger over the fact the doggone things were there! As I've stated before, I'll just practice the SS&S (Shoot, Shovel, & Shut Up) theory in dealing with wolves in the Big Horns. I used to hunt over in the Tetons 10 years ago and elk were everywhere. You were all but guaranteed one if you went. The last time I was there all we saw in four days of tough hunting were wolf tracks. I just pray it won't be the same type of situation over here on the eastern side of the state.