Thanks SJ for the link and info. I intially thought the FG model indicated the Rubicon and saw on honda website they had a 650 but after doing more research I see that is the Rinicon. I also see the dry weight is essentially the same on the rubicons as the 500S Foreman, so 2500lb warn will do nicely on either. So appologize for asking stupid questions, just hadn't really considered the Rubicon ...UNTIL NOW.

I have found a few dealers with 04 models, one is tweaking the price some and waiting for a final from him on a rubicon. Here it appears the 05' Rubicons are 9,500-10 before access and taxes (but have sent some feeler's for the best price to the dealers for the rubicon..so we'll see how it shakes out).

One more quick question seeing your originally from the East part of Sask, have you heard or know anything about Schrader's in Yorkton? Rick is supposedly getting me some pricing on their units in stock...just curious. Thanks again