Thanks for the reply guys. What cc engine are you guys running in your Rubicon's, BTW? What type of tires are you running on them? Are you both using a 2500lb warn or larger? Also the Select shift program is this like a manual for hauling or do you stick with the D2 selection for the heavy work? The 04' 500 I was quoted on sold but I have emails from other dealers that both have new 04 models, not sure about prices yet. Haven't checked into many rubicons but I was quoted in that 12 g range for a new 05' 500, stubblejumper does that sound about right to you.

Thanks again!