Huntingbry, What I meant is in my area a deer with only one side of a rack that has 2 points on that one side and a nub for a brow tine it is legal.In the four point area 3 pts plus a nub for a brow is legal. We did not gain anything much. I'm not against all of Alts plan.Just wish more study and smaller mamagement areas would of been established.There way of counting the deer population is also a joke.I wish he would of made the antler restrictions higher .I would say a full six pointer with even the brow tine needing to be 1 inch not a nub.I'm not a trophy hunter ,but at least the deer would live to be older then a 1 1/2. And I dont shoot buttons myself.But when the deer drives are put on theses guys just empty there guns till everything drops.In my area anyway!!! I think they should make us tag a button with are buck tag. I have seen land posted this year that has not been ever posted.When ask why, the landowners response was I dont want all the deer slaughtered,Did you see all the doe permits the PGC gave out? That was there answer.Just less land to hunt.And the state no-gamelands are a joke around here 5 deer a sguare mile and 50 hunters a square mile. I know some is going to say well find somewhere eles to hunt. Its hard to travel a couple hundred miles everyday for 3 months to travel out of the SE section of the state to the west or north. I hunt everyday and would like to do it near my home.I probably wont even hunt much this year it has become a waste of time.I dont need to shoot a deer everytime I go hunting ,but sure would like to see a deer once and a while.I've sat already 8 times this past 2 weeks and seen a total of 5 deer in 8 days.3 fawns one mature doe and a spike. BIG Whoop. It gets worse every year.And FOOD is not a issue here in the arigculture area. I never seen a skinny or starving deer even in the 70"s when we would see 60 deer a day. Right next to my house in a posted area I can see up to a 100 deer in a field ,but it is closed to huntin and they have plenty of food.no over browse ,but 5000 acres of corn,grains,clovers and all kinds of stuff thart the owner lets stand all year. Some how those posted areas filled up with deer must be put in to the figures the state calculates.A lot of deer in that area ,lots of road kills ,so the state increases the doe tags,but that is useless if the tags cant be filled.All it does is make the open lands crowed with hunters and the few deer left run to the closed land.Them deer on the antihunting and posted land should not even be put in to the equation when the state is setting the amount of doe tags.Them deer dont even exist as far as the hunter is concerned if you cant hunt them.