I still say a cross bow is crap
MasterBlaster - the thing is ......... you have no REASON to believe that, do you ? Because when you list your reason, I can use it and apply it against your compound with equal results. Its frustrating, isn't it ?
You have nothing better to do that sit around and stir up crap.
Actually for the past 3 days, and especially this morning, I have a pain in my upper back and neck that is unbelievable and I DON'T have a whole lot I can do. If archery season were tommorrow I couldn't hunt with anything BUT a crossbow - it hurt that bad. I'm 35 years old and shouldn't have these kinds of pain [
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If you can practice hundreds of hours and still be out shot by some lazy slob shooting a 20 year old compound that only practices the week before season you should really consider hanging that recurve on the wall and sticking with your compound. And if this is the case like you admit.. You must really suck with one. Someone with such poor shooting skills really should not be looking down on people.
I watched a Fred Bear video the other night - a mule deer hunt and a bear hunt among others. Fred won tournaments and was one of the better archers ever. Damn fine shooter. He clean missed 2 bear2 before a shooting the 3rd perfectly.
My point is - if you have never shot trad, if you've never hunted with a trad bow in your hand, you don't have a clue.
Arthur P - I thin kyou know what I'm saying. While we don't have the same opinion of the crossbow being legal, I think you understand what I'm getting at.
Oh ....... and that kind of draw just aint right man !
flat feet - your argument is based on the motions that the crossbow is used to shoot vs the motions of a compound ? Shouldering and sqeezing a trigger while at 100% letoff vs holding the bow target style, drawing the bow with a triggered release, holding full draw but only 15% of the weight of the draw, and squeezing the trigger.
I acknowledge those differences and at the same time I know the huge differences in drawing on a deer with a compound vs drawing on them with a longbow/recurve. I've been there and done that and its a huge difference.
Can you not see that ?
When Muzzelloaders are used for hunting, there all used in a simular fation that does'nt give one a massive advantage over the other. They might be fired different, but there used the same.
I beg to differ. An inline Knight with 101 primers, 150 grains (3)Pyrodex pellets, sabot and .44 cal bullet with a Leopuld 4x12x52 scope has a VAST advantage over a trad shooter with a flintlock, losse powder, iron sights and balls/pillow ticking !
When rifels are used for hunting there used in a simulsr fation, there are different ranges and actions, but when used for hunting there used in a simular fation.
SImilar yes, but a loaded Lazzeroni with a Swarovski laser rangefinding scope ir far better a weapon than Grandpa's old 30.30 with iron sights. Both have the same season though worlds apart.
When a crossbow is used for hunting, it is used in a fation more simular to a gun, rather than a Bow. That is all. Once again I know it's enegery, projectile and range is more like a bow, but the differance is, again IMO, closer to a gun than a bow.
Again, the motion is different, but its still two limbs transferring energy through a string to an arrow. Guns are weapons that use gunpowder and bullets - you seem to be overlooking that incredible difference.
Try turky hunting with no blind and a recurve !
tocs -
Being target proficient at 20 yards and hunting proficient at 20 yards are worlds apart from a competence perspective.To suggest otherwise is irresponsible!!
I'll agree with that.
I'll make you a better bet tocs. I can take YOUR compound and practice with it tonight and kill a deer tommorrow with it. Heck, I'll take your compound, let my neighbor shoot it (and he's never shot a bow before) and he'll be shooting good groups tommorrow.
Is he ready to hunt ? Why not ? You and I and any of those "experts" would of course say he needs a lot more practice. But you cannot force that, you cannot dictate it and its naive to think a LOT of archers don't get ready the week before season.
It happens every year - and the modern compound bow is so good that they can do it.
Do you remember that HUGE buck that was killed last fall ? The guy's bow was so old that the upper limbs broke and he still killed the huge buck. Unreal ......... but true.
But coming back to your points - some guys shoot all year with trad bows and IMO they shouldn't take any shots > 10 yards. I know a guy who shoots year round, actually he shoots pretty good but in 8 years now hasn't killed a deer. Guys that shoot in the upper 290's at 3D courses miss deer - guys who shoot he day before season can go out and kill 3 deer with 3 shots.
And I DO agree with the theory that we should all pracitce hard, and be dedicated etc etc - but the modern compound bow allows guys to not have to do that. The crossbow does too. The recurve/longbow you can't really get away with doing that - but people do anyway. Its just the way it is.