I don't want to start anything here, but I use to live in se pa, and with everyone saying that they are not seeing deer just isn't correct. maybe not seeing deer in central pa may be more correct. My buddy passed up so many deer this year in bow and gun that he lost count. doe after doe, 2.5 yo buck after another. now he has a good spot, but I guided myself when home from the navy without seeing any property all year long, and managed to score four deer in four years.