okay - here goes
MNRut - I'm using YOUR reasoing and applying it in kind to compounds. Thats not putting words in your mouth, its using what you believe and applying that belief to compounds. It comes across as twisting because you are twisting YOUR own words.
Example -
I will continue to shoot a compound because I believe using a recurve to hunt is an unnecessary risk to wounding an animal when the technology exists to make us more effective.
That means its a more effective bow to use, no two ways about it. Yet IF a crossbow gives guys the same advantage ....... you're against it ? And if a crossbow DOESN'T give the same advantages ........ then are you against recurves because they're not as apt to lead to wounded/missed deer ?
You tell me - its your quote
That is how they are drawn and "held" at full draw and how they all require the same form to be shot accurately. (Form = bow hand grip, consistent anchor point, consistent sighting method, smooth arrow release and follow through)
A crossbow isn't held ? Oh, you mean actually drawing a bow with your fingers, having to hold the full weight of the bow with no letoff ? Or do you mean holding the bow at a hard cant and shooting off the shelf ? Or maybe you mean "sighting" as in not using pins or peeps - truly instinctive shooting ? Maybe you mean shooting like Fred bear was known to do - snap shooting in odd angles, adapting his releases/anchor and shooting 3/4 drawn ?
No - you mean the compound way - bow vertical, open handed, using a wrsit strap triggered release to draw a 75# bow that feels like 45# and has a holding weight of 7 pounds ? You mean using a peep, fiber optic sights, cams and pulleys and string and cables to launch the arrow instead of the dynamics of the limbs after pulling the trigger and as the arrow launches out of a drop away rest ?
Which did you mean and how again were they the same ?
Come on, of course it doesn't! Military bases, state parks, even some communities all have "special" rules they make to control game and limit hunting access.
So at McAlister and in those areas a compound isn't a bow then ?
The one thing ALL bows have in common are the manual drawing of a string attached to limbs that store the energy tranferred to them by the muscles of the person drawing the bow. Upon the manual release of the string that energy stored in the limbs is expelled and transferred into the string and then onto the arrow. At no point is the energy released from the "human" until release of the arrow occurs
Limbs of a compound don't store much energy anymore, do they ? Its the essentrics of the cams that create the energy. Crossbows have string attached to limbs. Both release the string and stored energy using a mechanical triggered release.
Manually drawing of the string ? I suppose one could force crossbow archers to not use a cocker. But truthfully, if the mechanical release wasnt available, compounders would find themselves in fits trying to shoot their bows, especially the bows of today.
How can you overlook that ? Even the muscles used to draw a compound aren't the same as a recurve - because you're not using your fingers, you're using your wrist and arm.
And yes, thats slitting hairs but, hey, its YOU who want to draw the lines of how bows are drawn, not me, I'm just pointing out how much difference there really is in the grand scheme of things.
This is just your "opinion" and a dumb one at that. There was no HUGE anti compound sentiment... as I said before, when the compound was launched ... it was an inferior weapon to traditional equipment based on it's lack of reliability, consistency and noise alone.
Actually it WAS fought hard against from what I've read. If thats what a compound was ........ it surely isn't now, do you agree with that ? Are you agasint the modern compound bow ? Do you agree pandora's bow of archery was opened then ?
You are a meatball. I have never said "better" or "inferior", just different. I personally think "Crossbowhunter" doesn't sound like a bad moniker to have... but why are you crossbow guys avoiding it like it's diseased? Perhaps because it validates the "different" part????
I EAT meatballs, I am not one. Crossbowers it is , and we'll tab them compounders and then the rest of us guys we'll call ourselves (using recurves and longbows) BOWHUNTERS and ARCHERS. Fair ?
Here you have a valid point. Choice, and mine and other archers and 47 states have made the choice that a crossbow is not "archery" equipment.
And when it changes, your mind will magically change too ?
Because the law is in place does not make it a correct one, does it ?
What makes the compound so much different than any other bow?
Several things. The ability to draw and hold while the animal cannot see you is a HUGE thing to overcome when you're use to it. I mean, for anyone who hasn't recurve/longbow hunted, that animal has to be RIGHT THERE - before you draw, with all your attention focused, no letoff, no pause, no holding ......... its vastly different. The letoff is huge. The short ATA is an advantage, and anymore, the extreme light weight. Peeps and sights too - and not many trad guys use those on hunting bows. Target - maybe, but 30#'s is way different than 50#'s. The new compounds too are SO quite - scary quiet. Easy to tune - super accurate. Even in states where crossbows are allowed people still hunt a LOT with compounds. Why ? Obviously, they're better to use in hunting situations. Anyone who stalks uses compounds - not crossbows too. Lots of reasons to use a compound - I'd NEVER use a crossbow over a compound, ever.
Silent, everyone knows that shotguns and ML shoot rifle bullets out of sabots... Guys, you are killing me,
But the difference is loose powder vs shells - a core difference that goes beyond does it have a different stock or way to hold it. But - inlines and modern muzzleloaders have gone way too far too.
Yes, I did speak with the old timers ... you do realize that the number of "archers" 25 years ago was a fraction of what we have today right?
And they hated the idea of an easy to use wepaon barging into their archery season, adding vastly to the numbers od hunters in the woods, threatening to reduce their seasons and baglimits .......... wait, isn't that EXACTLY what compounders say of crossbows ??