skeeter, I don't think anyone was banging on you. And it not cause these guys have different opinion. Its cause they made a statement that makes no sense. Take John Barshness, the outdoor writer, in handloader this month he did a comparison of Nosler PT, and several other bonded bullets. He had decent scientific data on penetration, wieght retention, and mushrooming. The nosler beat out all bullets, from ultra coreloks to onyx, to whatever. The guys made statements and at least tried to back them up or made a case. But when your friends say things so "matter of factly as self proclaimed experts" without much basis, they are opening up themselves for attacks. Thats why I try to say things like "I think" or IMO. No reason to be upset, I mean its only the internet. Nothing more. I don't think anyone expects you to call this guy and say "I can't have any other dealings with you". Its the stupid internet. Have a little fun. I used to also get mifted alot due to posts. Finally about 1/2 year ago, I said why. Its just a chat room.