This kind of stuff makes me wonder what kind of people want to be outfitters in the first place. I have always wondered if they really like to hunt, why are they out there leading a bunch of idiots around instead of hunting for themselves? The first guided elk hunt I went on, the subject of rifles came up pretty early on, and that guy had an ancient relic of a 721 rem chambered in 257 roberts. He told me he used factory loads, a roundnose 117 corelokt if I remember right. Now, this guy had pictures of a ton of elk he had shot over the years, but I couldnt help but think that he had almost no understanding of the differences in cartridges or bullets. Then on the other hand, he probably thought of me as another eastern dude with a cannon. I guess it balanced out since we both thought the other was stupid. I remember asking him if he had lost many elk and he said, these elk are really tough animals, if you can get one bleeding we can find him! I guess thats true if you are a good tracker and have a horse, but isnt it easier to just kill them on the spot? Takes all kinds.