I hate to beat a dead horse here but even after my last post I will say that I believe Nosler PT are far from being a great performer out of fast guns. I have always recovered my animal within 30 yards or so, so I have no greif with the the bullet. There are many bullets that perform better I believe. When I say better I mean wieght retention, and the dad gone copper jacket staying on. So why do I continue to use them? They group for me. Not as good as matchkings, or Sierra gamekings but I believe its the right balance of mushroom performance, wieght retention and accuracy. I like A-Frames and Bearclaws, but they will drive a man broke to shoot alot. And my groups aren't near as good with A-Frames as they are with PT, and bearclaws copper my barrel up badly. This just freaks me out a little that an outfitter would say such a thing.