datamax, I went on a hunt this year with a bow hunting newbie that took a shot 90% of today’s archers wouldn't. He grunted a rut happy running buck to a stop some 10 yards in front of him, quartering towards (ground blind shot). While we would have waited and probably not been given a "good shot" he went home with a 154" buck. Drilled it between the chest and shoulder- graveyard dead.