slowpitch where do you hunt in NY. have you ever herd of poughkeepsie NY. im just east of there. as far as the ithacas go i love um. my father has one in 12 witgh the short deerslayer barrel. owch shoirt and light does not mix. almost everyone in my family has an ithaca and loves them. my grand father and his brother bought theirs in 1957 and are still useing them today with no problems.