i'll let you know if it has any positive impact on that situation terry. i've heard it ended arm-slap for people, so i'm thinking people like me who don't experience arm slap will gain some added room. it should give you actual brace height room if it stops the string at brace, right? which would make a big difference with hunting gear, right? we'll see. and i agree, if its the case its a great selling pt for hunters. i know its not as cold down here, but the older i get the less i like to be freezing cold, and being able to put another layer on would be sweeeeeet! crud, i'd like to be hunting when its cold in an asat down coat if i could.