I can shoot my recurve lying down, out of a box blind and don't even start on drawing before the deer gets inposition to shoot compared to a recurve !
You can shoot your recurve lying down in snyper position?[
] Guess that puts you and your recurve in with the crossbow category huh? You must hunt out of some awefully big box blinds to be able to avoid your limb hitting the wall of the blind? You also must shoot a minimum of 30yds unless the walls of your box blind are 2ft high.
Uhhh , why not "start on drawing before deer gets in position"? You want to compare compounds to crossbows but your unwilling to even talk about the obvious differences? Typical! It's why some have fallen out of this debate because you refuse to listen to common sense. You want to debate? Debate like you got a pair and start debating EACH and EVERY aspect of your claims when countered!
So because I can do those things, and your bow doesn't, we should create a compound only season ? Or a recurve season ? What was your point ?
My point was pretty obvious to other members! I'll spell it out just for you. That which I listed along with what others have mentioned are what seperates a compound bow from a crossbow. Your real quick to point out the differences between a compound and recurve but are unwilling to admit the vast differences the seperate the crossbow from both the compound and recurve!
Uh........... have you LOOKED at your compound lately ? They don't even function like a recurve does anymore in the way they produce energy, they way they're drawn or their performance. But techically, they're still bows.
Lets see? Your half right on energy producing. The limbs are still a functioning part of producing energy just like a recurve. I believe the "WAY their drawn" is still the same! Grab string and pull back to full draw. Do they (compounds) have the edge for "performance" as you say? Sure , when in the hands of the right archer.
Compounds most certainly ARE archery gear - just vastly different than recurves and crossbows ? Just another different bow.
Oh yeah I forgot , they "ARE" archery gear. It's just , oh how did you put it , "real bowhunters use trad gear" ? Vastly different than crossbows yes!
You might ........... but your compound also allows you to shoot farther, faster, more accurately and with less practice. You can draw and hold, you got the trigger, the sights, the gizmo's and gadgets .......... I've been there, I might be there again, I KNOW how easy compounds are. You forgot to mention all those qualities
"Shoot farther"? We're talking about hunting right? "Faster"? Who gives a crap? Not me! A fast moving arrow will kill a deer or miss a deer the same as a slow moving arrow. "Less practice"? Sure! Although not to the extent your always bringing up. When I set my compound down for a few months and pick it up again my rustiness shows at the range. I can do the same with my recurve and it might take an hour instead of ten minutes to be stacking arrows at my desired hunting distance.
As for the "gizmos and gadgets" I use a release , rest , and sight. How many of those three do you use on your recurve?
How about the compound shooter who shoots with fingers and no sights? Are they real bowhunters?
My core argument is that crossbows are seen to be bad because they are easy to shoot, they don't require a lot of effort to master, they have a different design but are still bows shooting arrows. Yet that is EXACTLY what compound are and in fact, the accuracy, mass weight, maneuverability etc etc of the compound makes them arguably a BETTER hunting weapon. Tack on that in AR, OH etc etc theres never been a single negative come from them being legal and you just gotta ask yourself ........... why NOT allow crossbows ?
First , I dont believe anyone here said "crossbows are bad"!
Some of us just feel they would be better off in a seperate season from the general archery season except for the handicapped.
Your problem here is your unability to admit that crossbows are NOT in general the same as compounds!
Your entire arguement is based on "the crossbow is easy , well so is a compound" while you blatantly ignore the facts seperating the two weapons.
I'm all for allowing a seperate crossbow season or allowing it during our gun hunt.
We (Wi) have deer hunting from the middle of September to January 3rd , theres plenty of room to add a crossbow season in there somewhere.