i got a nice pattern from the copper plated 3 inch mag 2 oz #4s with the flite control wad at 30....but it was low and right.....so im going to shoot a few other loads and see.....i never had that problem before.....and my old load used to look great.....but looked like poop on paper when i patterned it....hopeing it was just the cold wet weather i was shooting in....im waiting till a nice dry spring day to go shoot....and ill see.....i also polished my bore since then...maybe they will fly straight......