mjvtto, i went too the deer and turkey expo and pse was set up there and they had their AR's there. that bow felt like it was meant too be in my hands. never shot it yet so i should wait before i give my opinion on it. still never had a chance too shoot the vengeance yet[:@].things came up. but hope too shoot it next weekend.but like you were saying pse has stood the test of time and i think their on the rise again.