Duckmaster, I need to agree with you. This morning im watching one of those shows and here this woman has a nice 5x5 elk bull that I would give my time to whatever charity someone wanted me to . But no does she take the shot. Now we all must remember that this is a half hour show. But NOOOOOOOO she dosent take the shot she says that if this bull is here by itself theres got to be a bigger one close by with the the females. Now wait a second here in pennsylvania yes I can let does go by cause I know ill see another but to say I would let a 8 point with a 16 inch spread go by hell ill chase the thing over the next hill if I have to. Hope the rest of your season is better then the first couple weeks