*L* I have to agree with you on this one! I really think these shows lead some people to believe it is a everyday deal to see deer like the ones on the shows. They also lead people to believe you can walk right out and call up just about any animal, if you just bucked up and spent the cash for their call. Simple fact is, if you and I could hunt on farms and ranches that have not seen a hunter in 10-15 years, we could afford to pass on nice bucks, and marginal bulls and we could call up these animals with a minimum of practice. If Mr. Jordan, and Mr. Primos really wanted to impress me, they would dedicate an entire season to just public land hunting without guides, then I don't think we'd see them passing up basket racked bucks! All in all, the shows are fun to watch they have great footage, but to me they are really not that informative. Now I would like to see some of the less visual guys do some shows like, Larry Jones, Dwight Schuh, and to a lesser extent Chuck Adams. The guys seem to do more public land hunting than the rest of the TV and video guys put together.