I bought my wife a mink coat last year, and I was darned proud of doing it. She looks great in it.

Anyway, I think I see the basic point--that in some ways, there is common ground between hunters & PETA. For example, we'd probably agree that torture or abuse of animals is wrong.

But I think we'd also agree with gun-grabbers that kids shooting kids is wrong.

The problem is in the next part, which is, "What do you want to do about it?" PETA wants humans to cease to exist (except for themselves); gun-grabbers blame the guns, and want to take them away from everyone, including us law-abiding citizens.

Such basic philosophical differences can't be bridged by discussion or gentle persuasion.

I'm sorry, but any group that believes "A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy" isn't a group I could ever imaging joining, because I think their "reality" is way, way, way too detached from mine.