Well I decided to give the Triple 7 one last try. I have figured out that the recoil from a muzzle loader will through a bullet all over the place. Well this time out I held my Encore 45 cal. very firm and used 105grs. of triple 7 behind a TC 155gr. saboted bullet. The results were good. I got a 4 shot group or 1 3/4" with 3 of them in 1 1/16". I know I said I was threw with the triple 7 but I think if this performance holds up I will stay with it. I am using a lightly dampened patch with #13 on it between every shot and using a brush with every 5th shot. Seems to be working.......Leon