thanks guys. yes, mk-m-gobl, it was me asking about the hogs. i knew that there have been some running around corbin park once in a while, but i spoke with the local warden, who told me he hasnj't heard of any getting out for quite some time. i have to wait three years now before i can put in again, so i plan on trying in maine and new hampshire now. either that, or i can cross the border to canada, and hunt there without a guide. that may be an option too. in quebec, you don't need a guide, but you do have to form a "party", which means at least two of you, because you need to have something from each tag in order to be legal, which also means you are only coming home with one moose. but hey, it really doesn't sound much different than if you were a subpermitee, you still are only going to go home with one moose.
Pat