Thanks for the response guys, The Flatliner is just that It flatlines the Bucks when they get in front of me, Was thinking of the upgrade if my 14yo son was going to hunt this year, he could use the flatliner tuned down a little for him (doesn't need to shoot 80lbs)<img src=icon_smile_cool.gif border=0 align=middle>, and I would get the new, thought about the Jennings for a few reasons, Price, the Buckmaster 2000 last years model is at $250.00 rite now Single cam design, split limbs, and of course the founder of the company has the same name as me Tom Jennings, should check to see if he is related could maybe get some $$$$$$$$$$ or be happy with a bow too<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle> additional comments welcome Tell me more about the Hoyt.