Mathew owners, dont fret. i still have the outback. but i am going up too shoot the vengeance this weekend. i think i talked the wife into keeping the mathews and maybe getting the vengeance. if it fits and feels good. i appreciate most of the replies too my post. but some i think were just a little too opinionated. i did not mean too start a war just wanted to know if the vengeance was as nice of a bow as i THINK it might be. i for the most part have shot pse for years low ends to their high end bows and i liked all of them.