Jim, I am with you, and I have been wonderng if the real hunters, not the TV people, really think all the stink and no stink really works. Seems its a croc. I keep it pretty simple. A combo of home made comfy stands with safety bars. I have a useless Sumit Viper climber, as someone above said its like fightimg in a tin shed. I leave it in a good tree for the season with a ladder. I use a nice model 70 270 and have to have a scope, can't see without it. What a pain to go over 50!! Any way I hunt close to home and bring a gun/bow and a phone in case I fall out of the stand. When I wack one I go home and get the stuff I need. So without all the fancy stuff 2 bucks last year and 5 the year before and 4 the year before. One 130 point 8 point. "Keep it simple keep it fun" Phil