I got someone elses "bad shooter" model 70 from a pawn shop in 30-06 took it to the range with an armload of different factory loads to see how it shot, and at first I was dissapointed. It shot all over the paper (or maybe that was me?) with high dollar loads in various weights and velocities. When I got to the cheap 'ol 150gr soft points Winchester makes, this rifle came to life. It (and me) shot dime size groups with a very hot barrel and repeated this result with a cold barrel another day. No, it's not the prettiest rifle and it's not perfect, but it has made a perfect 50yrd shot on a deer and a perfect 290yrd shot on a deer and several great shots in between. Moral: every gun likes a certain load with certain ballistics, so don't condemn a particular model just because someone else tried it a couple of times with their favorite load that worked in something else and it (or they) shot bad.