I agree that you have to do your own testing. I bought a chronograph and it has told me that recoil does not mean higher velocity. Tripple Seven kicks like a mule but Black Mag'3 outshoots it for velocity without the kick (at least in my rifle but like we said you have to do the work in your own rifle). Another site poster is saying he cannot get the velocity with BM3 but is shooting short barrel and light bullets (patched balls). Again everything depends on the variables.