as an update lilhunter....i finished my second one....i decided to do the same bug...but with olive and black...kinda look like a frog colors..i figured i would make my bundles thicker to try to get a fuller body...it worked...the fly looks GREAT...i shaped the body almost perfect...but my standards are sorta low...coz im not a pro...nor do i tie them for show...but to fish with..so i think its great...thanx for all the help!!

mauser06