thanx alot lilhunter...i just finished my first succsessful one that is worthy enought to be trown to a large mouth!! its just a olive body....trimmed flat on the bottom...and rond everywhere else...with black hackle feathers and white hackle feathers and olive marabou in the middle of the tail....just kinda rememberd wut i read from a few diffrent things...and thats how i got it...the fly body needs to be thickend up next time and it will have a nice full body...mines full...but its thin...nothin another bundle or 2 wont fix....neway...thanx alot...o ya...wuts ur site addy? do you have a bunch of fly fishin stuff on there?

mauser06