i have to agree also... none of my handloads except for very long range varmit stuff are very "hot" they are extremely accurate instead... i take great pains to make everything as consistant as possible... my hunting loads are a few tenths of a grain off of a middle of the road load... i don't care for the recoil of big heavy bullets burning the throats of my barrels out and for the ranges i shoot i don't need a mack truck when a duramax will do...

velocity ain't everything... if you can't hit the broad side of a barn or your shoulder is bruised for 3 days...

Jamie