I have a cva magbolt ( hunterbolt) I know it was not a high quality gun when i bought it but it was all I needed.This gun will shoot one ragged hole at 100 yards and 2"-3" at 140 yards.I never have loaded it with 150 gr charge because 90 grains of 777 is plenty accurate for me.I am planning on buying a sidelock this year if I get the money I will buy a Lyman hawken.