bowfanatic, as odd as this sounds, i shoot the outback just fine (for my standards). i also shoot my old bow just as well. i am sure that my wife will agree that i get caught up in this archery rat race with all this new technology and stuff. i guess i should have just asked what the vengeance was like rather than comparing the two bows.That being said i might try too talk the "boss" into going with nodog's advice.Icant help myself anymore when it comes too new gadgets in the archery world