If you guys that want the average age of buck to go up, let me offer a compromise. How about a system more like Ohio. A state without AR but 4th in the nation for P&Y taken. They allow up to 5 or 6 (not sure) doe to be taken every year but only 1 buck. Here in NY you can take 2 buck. A few years ago when you could put an antlerless permit on a buck you could take more than 2 buck. Limiting the number of buck taken reagardless of antler size would increase the average age of the buck in the woods over what we have now but de-emphasises the trophy management mentality and elimintate the genetic concerns that are associated with AR. It also lets the young fellow who has never taken a buck of any kind take the 4 point if he likes. We could have the DEC issue buck tags just like DMP's are now. When the buck population is low (i.e. high doe:buck ratio) then cut back on buck tags. This of course implies that on a given year you might not be able to get a buck tag but you could get a preference for the following year. What do you think?