ya the federals work nice.....i dry a mock turkey head where i want my pattern to be and at 25yds i had something like 65 hits in the head and neck...and just lined up a "life size turkey target" i just bought tonite on what i dry and they matched pretty dang good.....so i think ill buy a good set of sights and stick with the federals....maybe try a box of 5s....and see if htye do better....and tomarow i plan to polish my bore....see how it all pans out....cant find good sights at dicks or walmart....ill try a gunshop or 2 but all the shops around here are small and probably wont have anything better....i want somehting fully adjustable and something i can put on my self but it will stay there......i havent fired the federals at anything closer then 25yds....25yds the wad broke my paper...30yds it hit the wood behind my paper and bounced off....ill fire one at 15yds next time im out....im willing to be it will be a pretty pattern.....then i can post a pic here and tell you guys it was at 50yds lol.... then ill try a few farther out and find my max range....and let you guys know what happens.....7 something a box the federals are nice....not sure how the wad flys that far yet....but i dont care.....it made my pattern look ALOT nicer....but then again i didnt have that good of a pattern before....i mean i rolled 2 long beards with my old load...no problems...but after seeing pics and such...i knew there was better.....maybe ill take honest pics for you guys and show off my cheap load n choke combo if its worth it......lolthanx guys......big help as always....