stubblejumper...

where i hunt these deer can come at any angle. i have no problem with taking a shot at a deer coming dead on in the neck. ( i have and used a win ballistic tip ). dropped like a sack of potatoes.the exit wound was that if a racket ball.
larry338...

my buddy had a simular problem. used a 130gr. and shot in the shoulder. took for ever to find that buck with a broken shoulder.

all in all them seem to be a good bullet but i am a guy who dosen't see that many deer like everyone esle who hunts on friends and there own land. i have to drive 3 hours to scout in maine. starting to cost me about $350.00 every weekend. so i think with my sierra gamekings 165gr. getting 1.080" groups will do. cause i would hate to finnal have that 18 pointer i have hunted for the past 5 years pop out and have the round ( might not do it )break on the shoulder or penetrate not enough to hit the vitals.
i truly beleive that the nosler ballistic tips and SST's are fine deer bullets but i think better suited for shots over 100yds. i seen the pic of PLLOPY's buck he took and the hole was enormous.
i bought some for my father this year and let's see how he does with them this year. and look at his experience with them.

i appreciate you all for your help. i think if i reloaded they would be alot better in my 35 whelen since it has more copper in the bullet than a smaller caliber like a 25 or 284.