I guess these miniature southern deer must be alot tougher than those canadian giants. Heres a couple of examples of what I have personally seen that convinced me that a tougher bullet would have been in order. Last fall my girlfriend shot a small buck broadside, right in the center of the ribcage with a 150 gr ballistic tip at about 2800fps, that bullet hit a rib going in and exited in three pieces. Two years ago a friend shot a buck that field dressed just 150. He shot that deer in the lower neck as the deer faced him. He was using a 280 with 150gr ballistic tips also. The blood trail was very sparse for about 200 yds where he jumped the deer an hour after the shot. At that point he came and got me and we called a guy with a tracking dog and about 1am, six hours after shooting that buck the first time, we caught up with him and finished him off. I helped him skin that buck the next day, and that bullet had come completely unraveled before it got into the chest cavity.The direction and the angle of the wound cavity was headed right for the heart, but just never got past the brisket. Another guy in a club I was in shot a buck in the neck with a 270 using a 130 gr ballistic tip, that bullet flew apart when it hit the spine, the deer fell at the shot but before he got to it, it got back on its feet and was motoring away at a pretty good clip when he gutshot it running to finish that one.When we skinned that one, we found that the bullet had hit at somewhat of an angle and went through about four or five inches of meat before it hit the spine.There was only some jacket fragments at the end of the wound channel, and the vertebrae were not broken. Now, while its true that all of these bucks were killed, I still think a tougher bullet would have made the job alot easier. Im not trying to disuade anyone from using these bullets, I use them myself. All Im saying is that you need to bear in mind that they wont "always" penetrate very deep and are subject to come apart on bone or tough tissue occasionally. I have shot deer with them and had very good results as well, but they have not impressed me with consistency of performance. So no matter how many cases I hear of that experienced perfect performance on game, my own personal knowledge of the performance of these bullets remains unchanged.