Are you sure they still have them? I checked online yesterday and it didn't show them. I have a catolog from last year or so, and I saw them in there. Ohh well, I guess I am going to just go with aluminums. I can't stand to go on a goose hunt everytime I need to get arrows. 2018's ought to work nicely, and I will order a dozen Green gamegetters to destroy when I get my next check. I have an awesome idea for crowning and cresting arrows with spray paint. I just need to decide what cleargoat I want to put on. A spray would be ideal, or I would have to devise a dip tank because I don't think I want to order one. Something I can get at the paint store would be ideal for the clearcoat.