here is a one of the deer I shot last year. hte bullet wound is huge. I could put my whole fist in it with much room to spare. the pic is not to great but youll see what I mean. I shot this deer at about 45yds with a browning bar .308 180 grain... the other deer in the pic were shot at the same time. all at the same yardage give or take 10 yards. boy was I tired of loading deer that day butit was cool to shoot 3 at the same time