BC shot a 17 for the first time last Saturday..It was out of a Savage of all things ..heavy barrel . I think the guy said he paid 185 dollars for it. He had a variable with a top end of 24x on it a Bushnell with mil dots. He asked me if I would shoot it and try it out. WOW it shot in same hole at 50 yards. I wish all 185 dollar guns could shoot that well is all I can say and if I were in the market for one the Savage would be at the very top of the list