Phade ,at the meeting monday they said take was down 22% overall and buck take down 25% this was all area 9. What they did not realy do, was tell us that the year before was also down a quite a bit also. So these above figures do not tell the whole story. For those of you that do not know about CTF call your region office and they should be able to help you with that, i've to 2, 9r and 9m ours were posted in the buffalo news. Rich