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Old 02-08-2005 | 06:29 PM
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ELKampMaster
 
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Default RE: Wolves: problem or not?

Ahhhhhhhhh, probably worth some passing commentary.....

Originally by BigBulls: It IS the people that are managing them and their management methods. Or lack their of.
Originally by RatherBeHuntin: But I had no idea the government was going to be this neglegiant in handling the re-intro process.
A Line by Denzel Washington from "I, Robot", seems appropriate:
"Somehow the words, 'I told you so', just don't seem to cut it!"
(Just about the time they realized they were in "deep do-do")

IMHO, from the viewpoint of pragmatic hunters or stockmen, the USFW could not pour pee out a boot with the directions stamped on the heel.[:'(][:'(]

Fifteen years from now, when the damage has been mostly wrought, it will be interesting to see how the "polling numbers" on a hunting web site like this one will go:

Vote for your choice:
*** 15 more years of the same (BTW, 15 years from now you may not want to believe the newest line of gov't BS then either),
OR
*** Let's go back to "1993 status" and spend the next 15 years doing what our grand daddies did and "get this mess cleaned up."

BTW, assuming the USFW is going to do something "reasonable" by "hunter standards" is wishful thinking and naive. I might add that the USFW IS doing an absolutely wonderful job by greenie, treehugger, PETA standards.... kinda make you wonder who is going to "win" that one in the long pull. [][]

BTW, the courts just denied the proposed "delisting of the grey wolf" last week I believe, in a suit filed by guess who?

Protection maintained for wolf species
Thursday 03 February 2005
American conservation groups have succeeded in maintaining the grey wolf’s endangered species protection status this week, following a court case in which the Bush Administration attempted to de-list the species to the mere ‘threatened’ category.

Such a move would have dramatically weakened the regulatory protection afforded to the animal, and jeopardised its recovery, say wildlife campaigners.

The Government’s plans to reclassify the grey wolf were criticised as ‘not based on science or the law’ by the US District Court ruling.

“We all want to see the wolf recover to the point where it no longer needs federal protection. But, that recovery must be based on a proper review of the best science available,” stated Rodger Schlickeisen, Defenders of Wildlife’s President. “The Bush Administration failed to do this and proposed prematurely removing protections for the wolf and today the Court called them on it.”
My, my, not like we couldn't see that one coming..... Looks like those clever wildlife biologists, PhD's, and their grad assistants with their "statistically sound science" are going to be putting in even more overtime before any de-listing gets done (maybe a 15 year running battle between the statistians?). In the mean time, what the heck happened to the elk herds? Oh, I forgot, I'm just a lay person --- no statistical study --- just like all the other lay folks, don't really know what we see.

Good luck with getting this genie back into the bottle!
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BTW, Alsatan, in RE to your Q: I don't know right where you're hunting and the current impact in that area, your odds may be fair for this year, but if you go then take lots of pictures (might want to hire a videographer) so you can show your kids "how it was back in the good old days."

EKM
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