elkfreak, it is still up in the air as if we will make it or not, i shoot trad. and my boy shoots a compound, but as right now he sold his bow and is still looking for a new bow, so i really don't think we will be making this shoot, but there is still plenty of shoots to go to for '05. The state shoot would be a good one to attend and is a blast, hope to see you there, RobinHood36>>>------------<>