Chad and Paul thank you both for your input. Chad I too was thinking that somewhere around 500 grs. would do the trick. I looked at Gold Tips web site and the 7595 GT will have the correct spine for my draw length and poundage. I want to shoot a drop away rest, my local pro shop carries one called the Rip Cord. It seem to be good and dependable, but I will shoot it first before I give it a final verdict and judgment. BTW I have never used a dropaway before so how do you tune a drop away rest? I also have located some Gold Tips 7595 Realtree Camo Hunters, they are full length, fletched and come with inserts. For 4 dozen at $200, delivered to my front door, their being shiped from a dealer back east in Iowa. My Mathews dealer doesn't carry Gold tips in his shop. A different local pro shop told me the GT real tree camo 7595 are disscontinued and they weigh at 9.2 grain/per/inch? And a thrid local pro-shop told me they (real tree camos)wern't discontinued but they do weigh less than the 7595 advantage camo's which are 9.7 gpi? I am buying the arrows either way because they are for sure 7595's and have the correct spine. I am going to call Gold Tip in Utah, to find out what they weight they are for sure, and I may want to refletch them with the NAP quick spins. I will ask GT their opinion about that too and instructions for stripping fletching off the arrow without damage. I like Pauls suggestion with using the weighted straws to get around 500 grains or so. Paul I would like to also take you up on your offer of trying the 4 blade Magnus Stinger, I'll call you and give you my address again over the phone, in case you have lost it. Also I'll make sure to charge my phone before so that way it won't die on us again. Thanks Jason.